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zorg1000 on 24 April 2015
DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

What if we remove the mandatory bundled software of 360? U act like Nintendo is the only one to bundle games. I can probably find over 50 games that had bundles on 360 at some point.

Uhnnnnnnnnn find me how many games were bundled for 50% of the consoles for 0 dollars. Wii had 2 games for free for a long time. So it would be like 750M on a 102M userbase against 950M on a 85M userbase. For me that is quite the gap, while x360 keep selling much more sw than Wii.

I'm not trying to argue that Xbox 360 doesnt sells more software than Wii. I'm simply stating u can't use bundling as an excuse for Wii and act like 360 hasn't had dozens of bundles including 1-3 games.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_retail_configurations#Holiday_bundles

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/28/xbox-360-250gb-spring-value-bundle-includes-darksiders-2-batman

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/11/microsoft-unveils-three-xbox-360-holiday-bundles/

I'm sure I can find more



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Nate4Drake on 24 April 2015

Right now, without Playstation, I would be a PC gamer.



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DonFerrari on 24 April 2015
zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Uhnnnnnnnnn find me how many games were bundled for 50% of the consoles for 0 dollars. Wii had 2 games for free for a long time. So it would be like 750M on a 102M userbase against 950M on a 85M userbase. For me that is quite the gap, while x360 keep selling much more sw than Wii.

I'm not trying to argue that Xbox 360 doesnt sells more software than Wii. I'm simply stating u can't use bundling as an excuse for Wii and act like 360 hasn't had dozens of bundles including 1-3 games.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_retail_configurations#Holiday_bundles

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/28/xbox-360-250gb-spring-value-bundle-includes-darksiders-2-batman

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/11/microsoft-unveils-three-xbox-360-holiday-bundles/

I'm sure I can find more

Not pretending. Just showing that Wii sold a lot less in attach ratio and if we removed free sw the situation would be even worse, but there are guys that pretends Wii sold a lot of sw and say how shit ps2 domination was for gamers while selling 1.5B Sw and discussing that 3rd parties don't support Nintendo from despise and because they are mean and that platform holders should restrict them and control so all would have the poor support Nintendo dictatorship showed us.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Samus Aran on 24 April 2015
DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

I'm not trying to argue that Xbox 360 doesnt sells more software than Wii. I'm simply stating u can't use bundling as an excuse for Wii and act like 360 hasn't had dozens of bundles including 1-3 games.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_retail_configurations#Holiday_bundles

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/28/xbox-360-250gb-spring-value-bundle-includes-darksiders-2-batman

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/11/microsoft-unveils-three-xbox-360-holiday-bundles/

I'm sure I can find more

Not pretending. Just showing that Wii sold a lot less in attach ratio and if we removed free sw the situation would be even worse, but there are guys that pretends Wii sold a lot of sw and say how shit ps2 domination was for gamers while selling 1.5B Sw and discussing that 3rd parties don't support Nintendo from despise and because they are mean and that platform holders should restrict them and control so all would have the poor support Nintendo dictatorship showed us.

So tell me, what must-buy third party game did the Wii get?

Wii's software sales are mighty impressive if you see how much of it comes from just one company. True domination.

The Wii had a higher tie ratio than the PS1 btw and only slightly lower than the PS2.



DonFerrari on 24 April 2015
Samus Aran said:
DonFerrari said:

Not pretending. Just showing that Wii sold a lot less in attach ratio and if we removed free sw the situation would be even worse, but there are guys that pretends Wii sold a lot of sw and say how shit ps2 domination was for gamers while selling 1.5B Sw and discussing that 3rd parties don't support Nintendo from despise and because they are mean and that platform holders should restrict them and control so all would have the poor support Nintendo dictatorship showed us.

So tell me, what must-buy third party game did the Wii get?

Wii's software sales are mighty impressive if you see how much of it comes from just one company. True domination.

The Wii had a higher tie ratio than the PS1 btw and only slightly lower than the PS2.

Call of Duty?

 

Nintendo overwelms its other publisher so much that some companies don't even bother going there. Ps4 probably already have more million sellers 3rd parties than n64, gc and WiiU... And shall not take much to pass Wii. But it is all fault of the 3rd parties.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Samus Aran on 24 April 2015
DonFerrari said:
Samus Aran said:

So tell me, what must-buy third party game did the Wii get?

Wii's software sales are mighty impressive if you see how much of it comes from just one company. True domination.

The Wii had a higher tie ratio than the PS1 btw and only slightly lower than the PS2.

Call of Duty?

 

Nintendo overwelms its other publisher so much that some companies don't even bother going there. Ps4 probably already have more million sellers 3rd parties than n64, gc and WiiU... And shall not take much to pass Wii. But it is all fault of the 3rd parties.

And Nintendo has probably made more money of the Wii than Sony with the PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 combined. What's your point?

Why would anyone buy an inferior version of CoD on the Wii if they could just buy it on the PS3, xbox360 or PC? And I said must-buy, that doesn't include CoD. Not a single company tried to make a 3D platformer to rival the Galaxy games. You know... The kind of games Nintendo fans like.



Chazore on 24 April 2015
Nate4Drake said:
Right now, without Playstation, I would be a PC gamer.

You say that as if it were a bad thing =P.



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Materia-Blade on 24 April 2015
DonFerrari said:
Materia-Blade said:

"And if we remove the mandatory bundled sw of Wii from sw total the attach ratio would be dangerously approaching 1/2 of X360, which again shows how it dropped hard and fast."

I'm sincerely interested, where did you get that from? and even if it were true, how would that relate to dropping fast?

VG chartz has wii software at 900 million vs x360 software at 924 million. Virtual tie.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?page=1&results=1000&name=&platform=Wii&minSales=0&publisher=&genre=&sort=GL

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?page=1&results=1000&name=&platform=X360&minSales=0&publisher=&genre=&sort=GL

Wii sports would have sold 30m+ without the bundle, as japan proves. That gives you 850m wii software vs 900m x360 software (no bundle, remember?)

Now, are you gonna say 850m is almost half of 900m?

See answer to zorg

See numbers and understand how wrong your claims are.



Materia-Blade on 24 April 2015
Samus Aran said:
DonFerrari said:

Call of Duty?

 

Nintendo overwelms its other publisher so much that some companies don't even bother going there. Ps4 probably already have more million sellers 3rd parties than n64, gc and WiiU... And shall not take much to pass Wii. But it is all fault of the 3rd parties.

And Nintendo has probably made more money of the Wii than Sony with the PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 combined. What's your point?

Why would anyone buy an inferior version of CoD on the Wii if they could just buy it on the PS3, xbox360 or PC? And I said must-buy, that doesn't include CoD. Not a single company tried to make a 3D platformer to rival the Galaxy games. You know... The kind of games Nintendo fans like.

Nintendo fans like all kinds of games. But you're right when pointing that wii sold similar software numbers even without 99% of the major multiplatforms.



DonFerrari on 24 April 2015
Samus Aran said:
DonFerrari said:

Call of Duty?

 

Nintendo overwelms its other publisher so much that some companies don't even bother going there. Ps4 probably already have more million sellers 3rd parties than n64, gc and WiiU... And shall not take much to pass Wii. But it is all fault of the 3rd parties.

And Nintendo has probably made more money of the Wii than Sony with the PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 combined. What's your point?

Why would anyone buy an inferior version of CoD on the Wii if they could just buy it on the PS3, xbox360 or PC? And I said must-buy, that doesn't include CoD. Not a single company tried to make a 3D platformer to rival the Galaxy games. You know... The kind of games Nintendo fans like.


Have any proof? Not that it matters because we are talking about 3rd parties not Nintendo profits. But seems like all Nintendo fans to play by Nintendo rules and their fans demands, and if they don't do that they are guilty of not supporting.

a game that sells 30M+ is a must buy. I hate the game but won't deny it market.

not a singre company saw value in putting the same budget to please the smaller market they could achieve on Wii than on ps360, even more seeing how Nintendo fans skip third party games in general. The difference in numbers bettween 3 version is too big. And being Wii and WiiU só much less powerfull of course the Port will be a lot worst.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."