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What do you want?

Just one console for all the games (fusion) 91 35.97%
 
Nintendo digital platform for PC and consoles 35 13.83%
 
A very powerful console 82 32.41%
 
Crazy stuff like wii and wii u. 45 17.79%
 
Total:253
Kerotan said:
I guarantee I've played more games than the average hardcore wii or wii u gamer.  I must be a pretty hardcore casual lol. 

 

OT: were the two ports announced? 

Are you trying to deny the fact that there are millions of causals that have flocked to the PS4/XB1 for third party content? That doesn't mean that every single owner of those consoles is casual, but most are. 

And you have no way of proving your above statement. Hardcore is relative, and you don't have a sample or statistics to back you up.



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uran10 said:
Nintendo isn't a big part of the problem, the third party are. I might be one of those guys that cry conspiracy but seriously, do you expect year old ports to sell well? I don't. Especially if they run better on weaker hardware. Nintendo gave them HD graphics and its as easy to design for as a 360. Nintendo could give them the most powerful console ever and they wouldn't support them. Money hatting is dumb so that is out of the question. The only thing and i mean the only thing nintendo needs to do at this point is expand and grow. They should have started this last gen when they were making said money but it can't be helped now. They need to buy some developers and open more studios so they have more games in the pipeline. A lot of these "indie devs" are gonna make it big, and if nintendo sees potential they should partner with them. etc etc.
Long story short, Nintendo expansion = more games = more sales for console because less droughts.


Tbh I kind of agree with this having watched the situation since the NES, Nintendo has made some mistakes yes but ultimately the are other factors in play and imo the main factor is that third parties want to feel like they're the ones in control of the industry and no one else, why because then they can do as they please and make it look like the consumer owes them and not the other way round. Sony and MS' approach give them that freedom but as seen this gen third parties are a bit too in over their heads in how things should be and actually make the license practices by Sega and Nintendo in the 80s look good.

It's not about hardware power or anything of the sort it's about wanting an industrial eco-system that suits themselves and Nintendo's platform don't offer that and never will because they simply can't as a dedicated gaming hardware company, this is why we're seeing loads of remasters to original new gen games, why the are microtransactions and questionable DLC practices like that in Evolve or the buy a continue in RE:R2's Raid Mode, why games are released incomplete or loaded with glitches etc... Make no mistake these publishers and developers would sooner turn on Sony or MS if another successful platform emerged that gave them even further liberties, trust me this group would never fully support a platform that drives an approach that gives platform holders more influence.

SE's President a while back highlighted a second problem in that many developers only want to develop an elite group of games they want to play rather diversify their talents and have a my way or the high way attitude to anything that doesn't fall in line with what they want, couple this with the toxic desire to try and turn everything into a AAA title with an inflated budget meaning the game needs loads of sales in the short term and you get an industry that will stick to its guns until another crash arrives to wake them up.

You're 100% right that even though it's a long term plan that will take a while Nintendo can only solve this if they expand and become even more self efficient then they are now with their first party, Nintendo are probably the biggest gaming company yes but they essentially need their first party team to become to creating software what large companies like Samsung/Toshiba are to electronic goods. If they can expand so that their quantity out put each year is comparable to a platform with Third Party they would have plugged a big hole.



kljesta64 said:
the only problem is the lack of third party 'gamers' on nintendo consoles.

and by third party gamers I mean casual gamers.


I'm a Nintendo fan but games like The Witcher 3, Batman Arkham Knight and Fallout are far from casual (to name a few) 



Skullwaker said:
Kerotan said:
I guarantee I've played more games than the average hardcore wii or wii u gamer.  I must be a pretty hardcore casual lol. 

 

OT: were the two ports announced? 

Are you trying to deny the fact that there are millions of causals that have flocked to the PS4/XB1 for third party content? That doesn't mean that every single owner of those consoles is casual, but most are. 

And you have no way of proving your above statement. Hardcore is relative, and you don't have a sample or statistics to back you up.


Read his sweeping generalisation of a statement.  And ask yourself why are you backing him and not me. 



People please go read up on history and why Nintendo saved the gaming industry and why Atari almost ruined it. If third party has total control of gaming we will all be screwed............SEE Annually made games for popular franchises as my example.



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onionberry said:

When we are "excited" or "too curious" because an unknown studio announced that they're a porting a third party game. It's not our fault tho... we deserve better. We are fans of the company with hundreds of high quality games, but treated like beggars. You need to fix your shit with your next console, Nintendo... but you should start fixing those things right now.

Have you tried messaging Nintendo what you would like to see from them in the future?



Kerotan said:
Read his sweeping generalisation of a statement.  And ask yourself why are you backing him and not me. 

A sweeping generalization doesn't justify another sweeping generalization.

I'm not backing anyone.



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Skullwaker said:
Kerotan said:
Read his sweeping generalisation of a statement.  And ask yourself why are you backing him and not me. 

A sweeping generalization doesn't justify another sweeping generalization.

I'm not backing anyone.


You decided to have a go at me and not him. 

 

I'm clearly pointing out that I'm not a casual gamer like he tried to describe me as.  I'm baffled as to how I got picked on in this.  



Kerotan said:
You decided to have a go at me and not him. 

 

I'm clearly pointing out that I'm not a casual gamer like he tried to describe me as.  I'm baffled as to how I got picked on in this.  

Because you already pointed out the flaws in his post; it would be redundant for me to.

But the thing is, you made it seem as if most Wii U gamers are casual by saying you're more hardcore than them. Neither of you are right in this scenario. There are casuals in both camps, so there's no need to throw stones. Simply saying that he's wrong would've sufficed. 



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Skullwaker said:
Kerotan said:
You decided to have a go at me and not him. 

 

I'm clearly pointing out that I'm not a casual gamer like he tried to describe me as.  I'm baffled as to how I got picked on in this.  

Because you already pointed out the flaws in his post; it would be redundant for me to.

But the thing is, you made it seem as if most Wii U gamers are casual by saying you're more hardcore than them. Neither of you are right in this scenario. There are casuals in both camps, so there's no need to throw stones. Simply saying that he's wrong would've sufficed. 


Actually I'm right because I'm more hardcore that the average gamer on any of the consoles.  My point was clearly saying that if he thinks wii u gamers are hardcore and I'm more hardcore then most,  than he's clearly wrong.  You took my post completely the wrong way.