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Kasz216 on 06 March 2008
kenzomatic said:
Kasz216 said:
PornographyStatistics show that the spread of pornography lowers sexual crimes.

So, yeah i don't have any problem with it because all statistical evidence says it lowers things like rape which are much more serious.

As for lies about sex... uh. That comes WAAAAY before Porn. Society as a whole does it. In porn is the only place where it makes sense.

The postives outweigh the negatives, everyone is a willing participant and there are people who want to buy it. I can think of many more things in current society that are worse.

Kasz216 said:

hunter_alien said:
... I seriously dont care . Until it doesnt affects society in a major way it can exist as much as it wants . Also , at least this is another way women can make big bucks :P

It does... it lowers sexual crimes. Of course so do things like strip clubs and prostitution. (When you take out the confounding variables).

Of course people let morality get in the way of statistical facts in such matters. In such cases even if said people who do porn, stripping and prostitution were in some damaged. The amount of other people they would save from similar danger many other women. (and men though people ignore men when it comes to such things.)

In such a way these industries work as modern day "Sin-eaters".

Well. Minus the whole after death thing.

 

The stats are true but there are other factors like how the scociety is prosecuting crimes, policing, etc that contribute to the lowering crime numbers. It just so happens 1st world country tend to be the ones with more porn they also have lower crime rates, but they don't go hand and hand.


 Actually when it comes to confounding variables it's found that the porn rate has the most change when you account for confounding variables.  In other words it seems that the increase of accessability of porn seems to have a direct correlation with the reduction of sexual assaults.

Which implys that this is the main correlation.  So either Sexual Assault numbers decrease because the access to porn increases, or porn becomes more available because less people are committing sexual crimes.

 



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Kasz216 on 06 March 2008
kenzomatic said:
Kasz216 said:
iclim4 said:
Who was it that claimed Pornography actually lowered sex offenders?

Lowered sexual crime rates. It's been shown to correlate most strongly among other factors. You'll notice none of his studies actually say it doesn't.

Also, it's fairly easy to get access to any of those, you just need to know someone in college. Those and much more are available to anyone who has a student ID. I know. I did the research back when I was a Psych Student.

His last report isn't even about porn. It's about the culture as a whole... which actually is a bigger problem. The main problem isn't porn. It's that everything that isn't porn is starting to resemble porn. I can't even look at most costumes meant for girls in gradeschool because it makes me sick.


So just to be clear Having to go to a university to do research is easilly accessed by the public. Yeah in 2 seconds I can get any USA history. So don't give me that crap. You know what I'm talking about.


Well or go to a Library that has scientific journals. I do believe the ones by me have pretty much all the scientific journals you'd want but then again my public library system is consistantly ranked in the top 5 for the US.

You used to have to go to the library to do everything.

People put a LOT of hardwork into this reasearch. So of course they want to be paid for it. They do have to make a living. It's not like history where it's all been written a hundred times before and you can get any book anywhere.

It takes a lot more work to pull off a study then it does write a history book. Trust me i've done it.  It can be a real pain.



kenzomatic on 06 March 2008
Kasz216 said:
kenzomatic said:
Kasz216 said:
PornographyStatistics show that the spread of pornography lowers sexual crimes.

So, yeah i don't have any problem with it because all statistical evidence says it lowers things like rape which are much more serious.

As for lies about sex... uh. That comes WAAAAY before Porn. Society as a whole does it. In porn is the only place where it makes sense.

The postives outweigh the negatives, everyone is a willing participant and there are people who want to buy it. I can think of many more things in current society that are worse.

Kasz216 said:

hunter_alien said:
... I seriously dont care . Until it doesnt affects society in a major way it can exist as much as it wants . Also , at least this is another way women can make big bucks :P

It does... it lowers sexual crimes. Of course so do things like strip clubs and prostitution. (When you take out the confounding variables).

Of course people let morality get in the way of statistical facts in such matters. In such cases even if said people who do porn, stripping and prostitution were in some damaged. The amount of other people they would save from similar danger many other women. (and men though people ignore men when it comes to such things.)

In such a way these industries work as modern day "Sin-eaters".

Well. Minus the whole after death thing.

 

The stats are true but there are other factors like how the scociety is prosecuting crimes, policing, etc that contribute to the lowering crime numbers. It just so happens 1st world country tend to be the ones with more porn they also have lower crime rates, but they don't go hand and hand.


 Actually when it comes to confounding variables it's found that the porn rate has the most change when you account for confounding variables.  In other words it seems that the increase of accessability of porn seems to have a direct correlation with the reduction of sexual assaults.

Which implys that this is the main correlation.  So either Sexual Assault numbers decrease because the access to porn increases, or porn becomes more available because less people are committing sexual crimes.

 


In controlled studies with "high levels of porn" the research shows desensitization and an increased disire to preform more and more extreme acts, including rape, and other sex crimes.



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.

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kenzomatic on 06 March 2008
Kasz216 said:
kenzomatic said:
Kasz216 said:
iclim4 said:
Who was it that claimed Pornography actually lowered sex offenders?

Lowered sexual crime rates. It's been shown to correlate most strongly among other factors. You'll notice none of his studies actually say it doesn't.

Also, it's fairly easy to get access to any of those, you just need to know someone in college. Those and much more are available to anyone who has a student ID. I know. I did the research back when I was a Psych Student.

His last report isn't even about porn. It's about the culture as a whole... which actually is a bigger problem. The main problem isn't porn. It's that everything that isn't porn is starting to resemble porn. I can't even look at most costumes meant for girls in gradeschool because it makes me sick.


So just to be clear Having to go to a university to do research is easilly accessed by the public. Yeah in 2 seconds I can get any USA history. So don't give me that crap. You know what I'm talking about.


Well or go to a Library that has scientific journals. I do believe the ones by me have pretty much all the scientific journals you'd want but then again my public library system is consistantly ranked in the top 5 for the US.

You used to have to go to the library to do everything.

People put a LOT of hardwork into this reasearch. So of course they want to be paid for it. They do have to make a living. It's not like history where it's all been written a hundred times before and you can get any book anywhere.

It takes a lot more work to pull off a study then it does write a history book. Trust me i've done it.  It can be a real pain.


What are you an elitist? You don't want the general public to be able to easily inform themselves. Some people won't even post there abstracts. I'm not talking about making everything free but just putting more mental health Information out as there is not enough in the general public.



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.

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Kasz216 on 06 March 2008
kenzomatic said:
Kasz216 said:
kenzomatic said:
Kasz216 said:
PornographyStatistics show that the spread of pornography lowers sexual crimes.

So, yeah i don't have any problem with it because all statistical evidence says it lowers things like rape which are much more serious.

As for lies about sex... uh. That comes WAAAAY before Porn. Society as a whole does it. In porn is the only place where it makes sense.

The postives outweigh the negatives, everyone is a willing participant and there are people who want to buy it. I can think of many more things in current society that are worse.

Kasz216 said:

hunter_alien said:
... I seriously dont care . Until it doesnt affects society in a major way it can exist as much as it wants . Also , at least this is another way women can make big bucks :P

It does... it lowers sexual crimes. Of course so do things like strip clubs and prostitution. (When you take out the confounding variables).

Of course people let morality get in the way of statistical facts in such matters. In such cases even if said people who do porn, stripping and prostitution were in some damaged. The amount of other people they would save from similar danger many other women. (and men though people ignore men when it comes to such things.)

In such a way these industries work as modern day "Sin-eaters".

Well. Minus the whole after death thing.

 

The stats are true but there are other factors like how the scociety is prosecuting crimes, policing, etc that contribute to the lowering crime numbers. It just so happens 1st world country tend to be the ones with more porn they also have lower crime rates, but they don't go hand and hand.


Actually when it comes to confounding variables it's found that the porn rate has the most change when you account for confounding variables. In other words it seems that the increase of accessability of porn seems to have a direct correlation with the reduction of sexual assaults.

Which implys that this is the main correlation. So either Sexual Assault numbers decrease because the access to porn increases, or porn becomes more available because less people are committing sexual crimes.

 


In controlled studies with "high levels of porn" the research show desensitization and an increased disire to preform more and more extreme acts, including rape, and other sex crimes.


In controlled studies. In real life studies the statistics show the opposite is the case. Which leads to 1 of 2 conclusions.

1. This is one of many things that can't be studied in labratory and controlled settings. Most things in Psychology and Sociology like this can't.

or

2. It leads to the desenstization and increased desire, yet for some reason decreases the actual availability to do such acts. In other words they're looking at porn.

When the real world and labratory data doesn't mesh. You go with the Real World data.

 



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iclim4 on 06 March 2008
Kasz216 said:
iclim4 said:
Who was it that claimed Pornography actually lowered sex offenders?

Lowered sexual crime rates. It's been shown to correlate most strongly among other factors. You'll notice none of his studies actually say it doesn't.

Also, it's fairly easy to get access to any of those, you just need to know someone in college. Those and much more are available to anyone who has a student ID. I know. I did the research back when I was a Psych Student.

His last report isn't even about porn. It's about the culture as a whole... which actually is a bigger problem. The main problem isn't porn. It's that everything that isn't porn is starting to resemble porn. I can't even look at most costumes meant for girls in gradeschool because it makes me sick.

Either way, it's one of those things you see a lot of arguement and poorly constructed research done on both sides due to the feminist split on porn as a whole.  That's one of the problems with Qualitative studies.  They are pretty much the breeding ground of bias.


What? You have a very active imagination.

also I don't get this "objectifying women" view.
I've read in a study back in highschool that women actually enjoy sex more than men.
Also from anecdotal evidence,  women watch as much porn as men.
A girl actually introduced me to porn by bringing some DVD's to school and lending me one.
Girls from my school are also more open when talking about sex.I remember when I was 13 years old and my female classmate walked up to me and my friends and asked "why do guys like to get blowjobs?"

Some people seem to have this view that women are this defenseless creatures that can't fend for themselves.
well they're not and they are as horny as us guys.




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kenzomatic on 06 March 2008
Kasz216 said:
In controlled studies. In real life studies the statistics show the opposite is the case. Which leads to 1 of 2 conclusions.

1. This is one of many things that can't be studied in labratory and controlled settings. Most things in Psychology and Sociology like this can't.

or

2. It leads to the desenstization and increased desire, yet for some reason decreases the actual availability to do such acts. In other words they're looking at porn.

When the real world and labratory data doesn't mesh. You go with the Real World data.

 

or 3 the real world studies are failling to factor other variables in. It could easly be a variable overlooked. Your telling me the reason a bowling ball and feather fall at different rates is because they weigh different amounts. I'm telling you it's the air resitence.

 



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.

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Kasz216 on 06 March 2008
kenzomatic said:
Kasz216 said:
In controlled studies. In real life studies the statistics show the opposite is the case. Which leads to 1 of 2 conclusions.

1. This is one of many things that can't be studied in labratory and controlled settings. Most things in Psychology and Sociology like this can't.

or

2. It leads to the desenstization and increased desire, yet for some reason decreases the actual availability to do such acts. In other words they're looking at porn.

When the real world and labratory data doesn't mesh. You go with the Real World data.

 

or 3 the real world studies are failling to factor other variables in. It could easly be a variable overlooked. Your telling me the reason a bowling ball and feather fall at different rates is because they weigh different amounts. I'm telling you it's the air resitence.

 


I'm guessing you actually haven't ever done a study before. Real world or Labratory wise. It's nowhere near that clear cut.

The actual "controlled" expierments in such matters like this actually throw in a number of variables that screw up any expirement done with it.

Here is an abstract to one study though. If you can see something you think he missed.  Or rather an article that basically is an abstract.

http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:71c6FiiSpSgJ:anthonydamato.law.northwestern.edu/Adobefiles/porn.pdf+psychology+porn+violent+crime&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=17&gl=us

Either way, since he hit his confidence interval... the correlation seems clear.



kenzomatic on 06 March 2008
Kasz216 said:
kenzomatic said:

or 3 the real world studies are failling to factor other variables in. It could easly be a variable overlooked. Your telling me the reason a bowling ball and feather fall at different rates is because they weigh different amounts. I'm telling you it's the air resitence.

 


I'm guessing you actually haven't ever done a study before. Real world or Labratory wise. It's nowhere near that clear cut.

The actual "controlled" expierments in such matters like this actually throw in a number of variables that screw up any expirement done with it. 

Here is a fun study you don't even have to pay for though.

http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:71c6FiiSpSgJ:anthonydamato.law.northwestern.edu/Adobefiles/porn.pdf+psychology+porn+violent+crime&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=17&gl=us

1 yes I have
2 your illustrating my point about variables

3 Public Law and Legal Theory Research Paper Series

4 ABSTRACT: The incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85% in the past 25 years while access to pornography has become freely available to teenagers and adults. The Nixon and Reagan Commissions tried to show that exposure to pornographic materials produced social violence. Thereverse may be true: that pornography has reduced social violence.

Even that admits there MAY be other variables.

ABSTRACT: The incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85% in the past 25 years while

I'm sure pepper spray, tasers, more public awarness, and dna evidence has nothing to do with that.



"Back off, man. I'm a scientist."

Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist. Especially if you think the moon landing was faked.

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Kasz216 on 06 March 2008

Reply keeps screwing thigns up. In anycase.

1. That's surprising

2. How? The fact is that "controlled" expirements in a psychology, sociology and anthropology situations often don't work, and are less effective then real world studies.

3. Yeah? It was the crunching of legal numbers so it would go that route.

4. See this is where I doubt 1. What was the first thing you were taught in Lab 101 if you took it?

You qualify EVERY statement you make. You never say "Our study proves that this causes this." You say things like "Our data shows that this is likely, yet other unknown factors may be prevelant."'

If he didn't admit that their may be other reasons he'd be a shitty researcher.  Like one of those shills that get paid to make studies to support peoples causes.  Data where the results have been paid for before you see the results.

As for pepper spray, DNA and the rest... it sure didn't help those states where rape increased.