Smidlee said: Stever89 said: disolitude said: ... I would feel that a COD4 quality level FPS, with MOH:H2 controls, with Halo 3 advertising, would probably sell at least a million. The thing is 360 would be closer (since you mention Halo3) to pull this off now than the Wii.  Buying IR tracking control would be a lot cheaper than buying a whole new Big N console. All Microsoft really needs is a IR camera split controler. I rather use a normal controller myself instead of trying to aim at the thin bar on top of my TV.

I think nintendo owns the pattent on the motion controls as seen on the wii. Sony and MS have to figure out a different way of doing this...but I dont think they will bother this gen. Next gen will be amazingly interestng.

disolitude said: Smidlee said: Stever89 said: disolitude said: ... I would feel that a COD4 quality level FPS, with MOH:H2 controls, with Halo 3 advertising, would probably sell at least a million. The thing is 360 would be closer (since you mention Halo3) to pull this off now than the Wii. Buying IR tracking control would be a lot cheaper than buying a whole new Big N console. All Microsoft really needs is a IR camera split controler. I rather use a normal controller myself instead of trying to aim at the thin bar on top of my TV.   I think nintendo owns the pattent on the motion controls as seen on the wii. Sony and MS have to figure out a different way of doing this...but I dont think they will bother this gen. Next gen will be amazingly interestng.

I seriously doubt Nintendo has a patient on IR camera or IR tracking device as they are nothing new to PC. (again IR tracking as a mouse subsitution was first invented for the handicap.)

PS3 eye have shown it could easily track IR lights. Also Sony had no trouble adding motion controls to their controller.

 

disolitude said: First with licencing fees, then with expensive cartrige format...Nintendo has a history of crippling 3rd party devs when it comes to making games for their system and wii is no different. Look at multi million sellers for the wii and take away the nintendo ones...5 games left, 1 of which is any good...RE4(port). In comparison...there is 26 million 3rd party sellers for xbox 360 and wii has 3 million more consoles on the market. Microsoft and Sony pay you to make a game for them(exclusives)...they make ads for your games...they give you ways to promote games online with videos and demos. Nintendo doesn't bother with any of that...they just look at how to promote the next mario game and resell you an old game with new controlls. Why would THQ or anyone else bother?

Actually, the Wii has 7 third party million sellers, and in less than 2 weeks that's 9 million third party sellers.

I can't believe people are still doubting that the Wii can sell third party software. Not as well as the 360, true, but MUCH better than the PS3.

In addition to that: third parties haven't put much effort to make their games sell on the Wii, plus the development costs are less than half than of the PS3 and also significantly less than the 360.

Wii = profit

Chrizum said: disolitude said: First with licencing fees, then with expensive cartrige format...Nintendo has a history of crippling 3rd party devs when it comes to making games for their system and wii is no different. Look at multi million sellers for the wii and take away the nintendo ones...5 games left, 1 of which is any good...RE4(port). In comparison...there is 26 million 3rd party sellers for xbox 360 and wii has 3 million more consoles on the market. Microsoft and Sony pay you to make a game for them(exclusives)...they make ads for your games...they give you ways to promote games online with videos and demos. Nintendo doesn't bother with any of that...they just look at how to promote the next mario game and resell you an old game with new controlls. Why would THQ or anyone else bother? Actually, the Wii has 7 third party million sellers, and in less than 2 weeks that's 9 million third party sellers. I can't believe people are still doubting that the Wii can sell third party software. Not as well as the 360, true, but MUCH better than the PS3. In addition to that: third parties haven't put much effort to make their games sell on the Wii, plus the development costs are less than half than of the PS3 and also significantly less than the 360. Wii = profit

I refuse to count Mario and Sonic olympics as 3rd party. Sorry...

I guess i missed carnival games...on purpose probably as I did not want to embarass the wii in saying thats a million seller. :)

disolitude said: I refuse to count Mario and Sonic olympics as 3rd party. Sorry... I guess i missed carnival games...on purpose probably as I did not want to embarass the wii in saying thats a million seller. :)

 I'm sure that if you tried a little harder, you could find an excuse to disqualify all those million sellers...

famousringo said: disolitude said: I refuse to count Mario and Sonic olympics as 3rd party. Sorry... I guess i missed carnival games...on purpose probably as I did not want to embarass the wii in saying thats a million seller. :) I'm sure that if you tried a little harder, you could find an excuse to disqualify all those million sellers...

fam, I don't think he's trying purposely to eliminate million sellers.

Though on the same note... Disolitude: Go look through PS2 million sellers. I bet you'd be embarassed to admit that the PS2 had some of those million sellers. My personal favorites are Scooby Doo: 100 Frights at 1.72 million, and the two SpongeBob games at 1.5 million and 1.3 million or something like that.

The only difference is that the PS2 had other games worthy (or... "unworthy" depending on how you look at it) of reaching a million, whereas the Wii mostly only has "unworthly" games. And when I say "unworthly" all I really mean is that the game is not considered a game or is mocked because it doesn't seem like a game that should sell well. Somebody must enjoy Carnival games because it launched at 35k sales in NA. Once there are enough good games that should sell a million, it won't be as bad that a game like Carnival Games made it to a million.

Note: I haven't actually played Carnival Games, so I can't say if it really does deserve to sell a million, because I can't say how good the game really is. It is a discount title, so that might have something to do with it. 

Stever89 said: famousringo said: disolitude said: I refuse to count Mario and Sonic olympics as 3rd party. Sorry... I guess i missed carnival games...on purpose probably as I did not want to embarass the wii in saying thats a million seller. :) I'm sure that if you tried a little harder, you could find an excuse to disqualify all those million sellers... fam, I don't think he's trying purposely to eliminate million sellers. Though on the same note... Disolitude: Go look through PS2 million sellers. I bet you'd be embarassed to admit that the PS2 had some of those million sellers. My personal favorites are Scooby Doo: 100 Frights at 1.72 million, and the two SpongeBob games at 1.5 million and 1.3 million or something like that. The only difference is that the PS2 had other games worthy (or... "unworthy" depending on how you look at it) of reaching a million, whereas the Wii mostly only has "unworthly" games. And when I say "unworthly" all I really mean is that the game is not considered a game or is mocked because it doesn't seem like a game that should sell well. Somebody must enjoy Carnival games because it launched at 35k sales in NA. Once there are enough good games that should sell a million, it won't be as bad that a game like Carnival Games made it to a million. Note: I haven't actually played Carnival Games, so I can't say if it really does deserve to sell a million, because I can't say how good the game really is. It is a discount title, so that might have something to do with it.

You are completely right. When I think about it, congrats to Carnival games...they probably made more with that game than Edios and Midway combined last year. Thats no different than most EA and activision games and their reason for existance. 

I was thinking a month ago if I should sell my wii as it doesn't seem like anyone is going to go big on it other than Nintendo... but ima keep it as I still think someone is going to step up and make the ultimate AAA, not for kids, action adventure wii experience. When I bought it I thought these small companies (like treasure) will come and release inventive games for it to add a little depth to the usual Mario/Zelda offerings but it wasn't the case. Its almost like nintendo doesn't seem to want them to make games for the wii... Come on Reggie, send Konami some Nintendo t-shirts and hats. :)

 

disolitude said: ... You are completely right. When I think about it, congrats to Carnival games...they probably made more with that game than Edios and Midway combined last year. Thats no different than most EA and activision games and their reason for existance. I was thinking a month ago if I should sell my wii as it doesn't seem like anyone is going to go big on it other than Nintendo... but ima keep it as I still think someone is going to step up and make the ultimate AAA, not for kids, action adventure wii experience. When I bought it I thought these small companies (like treasure) will come and release inventive games for it to add a little depth to the usual Mario/Zelda offerings but it wasn't the case. Its almost like nintendo doesn't seem to want them to make games for the wii... Come on Reggie, send Konami some Nintendo t-shirts and hats. :)

 I still believe if a developer came out with a game, that has as much hype as many 360/PS3 games, as high of quality as many of 360/PS3 games, and was aimed at an audience as large as some of the audience on the 360/PS3 (not another point and click game, which is more of dying genre), it would sell tons simply because there's not many of those "big games" on the market. It should probably also be a sequel, to get the name recongition. The fact that RE4 and RE:UC can sell so well, when one is a few year old port, and the other is a on-rails game (a not so popular genre), shows that there could be enormous interest in either RE5. And with lower developement costs, a probably really great sales, I don't understand what most 3rd parties are waiting for.

totalwar23 said: May I also add that their new project for the Wii is All-Star Cheerleading for the Wii balance board?

 That's just sad... I can't believe there are people who will buy that game

EHSTEVE said: totalwar23 said: May I also add that their new project for the Wii is All-Star Cheerleading for the Wii balance board? That's just sad... I can't believe there are people who will buy that game

 Go to next year's National Cheerleading Championship.  Set up a sales booth with 3 games in it.  Halo, Motorstorm and All-Star Cheerleading.  At the end of the Championship, I would bet that All-Star Cheerleading would have trounced the other 2 in sales.

Just a matter of who your market is and if you can reach them.