Yeah, that's the only thing. The rest is slick as you like and a joy to use.

the wii u actually has worthwhile games that arent broken and dont require insane updates and installs. no wii u games that im aware of forces you to buy dlc to simply complete your game. also, every game that offers online on wii u actually works, and you dont even have to pay for it. last but not least, the big heavy hitters for ps4/x1 have been considered huge disappointments by many.. as far as i know, every nintendo game has delivered and a lot of times, exceeded expectations of critics.

i understand if youre not into the games on the wii u to begin with.. but you should have known that going into purchasing one. if the games do interest you, i dont see how you can put up with all this garbage that is going on with these other games on the ps4/x1 and be disappointed with the wii u. i cant for the life of me understand it. its the only gaming console that sticks to what made gaming so great and as big as it is. i would call it the only true gaming console of this generation.

Your hilarous. Your going to whine about the PS4 not the PS4 games but praise the Wii U when the Wii U does THE EXACT SAME THING! You have to rebuy everything on the Wii U just the same. In fact with Nintendo you had to rebuy games constantly on various platforms. Your not fooling me. At least with Sony they have cross buy with many PS3/PS4/Vita titles. How many games on the Wii U can you play on your Wii or 3DS. I don't think so.

Worst console? It doesn't mean much if you haven't had consoles like the Saturn, CD-i, 3D0, and Jaguar.

I don't think I remember any 1st party on Sony games you have to buy a DLC to end the history... maybe you will have some extra stories launched later. But they can release a DLC a year later or a sequel... one is cheaper to buy and make.

I never said I agree with him and I never said OP's points was sound. Only that his points was based on his oppinion and like it or not, his oppinion is different than yours. Now saying that the PS4 in its current state is the worse console the OP owned and explaining why with more than 6 words (even if the OP was miss-informed) is not the same as "basicaly he is just saying PS4 is crap"; that's maybe your way of resuming it because you do not like what he said tho but I just disagree.

Now regarding you last comment: you need to take few minutes, take a long breath and look at my post history... I may like the Xbox and Microsoft very much but I NEVER say anything bad about the Playstation in general and I do not agree with Playstation detractors or even have any thoughts about how bad or good the Playstation is. Actualy there is one I said (and will keep saying) is that I dislike the controller but it is purely personnal.

So yes, you made a right choice by chosing the PS4. No need take it personal or to be on the defensive and make things up about me...

This is just my opinion/tastes. The PS4 does absolutely nothing for me right now, they removed the features on previous consoles that made me buy the system earlier than i would have just for the games of that gen. Things change over time and I probably will get one some day in the future (2 or 3 years?) when the system is cheaper, the games are cheaper, and there are far more games exclusive to the system. Multiplats are still coming out on PS3, and i really don't care about the graphical differences. My ps3 is backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 and has free online. The blu-ray player was also a factor in my initial purchase of the PS3. With that said the PS4 is selling really well so i'm not in the majoirty i don't think.

1º - Since the launch of PS4 every one knows that the console is not backward compatibility. So why we would find PS1 content on the console?

2º - You bought a console that there's no a single game that you want to play.

3º - If the game installed is on disc, there's a disck symbol on the game on menu, if is a digital game, there's no symbol.

4º - You reclaim for a lot of small things, you say the PS4 menu is "stupid" while Wii U still doesn't even have a simple cross game chat. We are only at the beginning of generation. PS4 is so far a superior hardware. Live with it.

if you bought, say, 100 vc games for the wii, you can transfer ALL of those to your wii u with minimal effort.. i do wish nintendo went about it differently, like make your wii u account the same as your club nintendo account, that way you can have the same games on whatever platform you register. it makes a lot more sense to do it that way, and i wish they did, but they do not make you rebuy games as youre suggesting.. 

there are hardly any similarities between the wii u and ps4. i dont know what exactly youre saying that the wii u does the same as the ps4.. what i was saying is that on the wii u, you get games complete games that arent broken, functioning online for free, and value for your money (bayonetta 2 includes a copy of bayonetta 1 in the package at no extra cost). i mean, when you compare bang for your buck.. the wii u seems to give you a better return. pretty much all the wii u games have lived up to expectations as well. 

Your post seemed quite close to agreeing with his points.

And if you now whant to say that he wasn't just saying it was crap, he was saying it was and explaining why he though it was. But anyway that was the point. I wouldn't think someone is explaining why X1 is trash by saying wrong things a valid point or anything like that, but maybe we have different visions.

I remember seeing some posts of you against Sony, but maybe I'm mistaken. Since I won't hunt for posts to prove it I'll accept that you are just pro MS but have no ill-fellings over PS4 or WiiU. Sorry about being wrong if I'm in fact wrong.

Not taking it personal, I don't really care about someone not liking PS4 or liking one other console. But unnecessary bashing of a console by pretending to own it (don't remember you ever doing it, but agreeing with it even if you say you weren't by some wordplay) is not something healthy to VGC.

the thing that really got me is when they included the extra content in the infamous second son collectors edition. content that should have been in the original game. the point i was kind of making is that nintendo's philosophy is entirely different, and i dont see them keeping game content from people just so they buy the more expensive version. its kind of messed up.