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-CraZed- on 02 December 2014

Yeah I could see Sony allowing the Vita to limp along well into the PS4's life cycle. I don't think they'll be releasing another handheld any time soon. It seems like the Vita is at least somewhat profitable for Sony and it is still selling so the number of units will still continue to grow and as it does it will become more attractive to developers as it still has plenty of power to make great games on.

Plus, with PS4 games having to be remote playable it is still a very integral part of the PS ecosystem. It is gonna be around for sometime despite it not being the barn-burning seller the PSP was.



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jetforcejiminy on 02 December 2014
fleischr said:
A number of other technologically better handhelds have come and gone over the years. Atari Lynx, Wonderswan, GameGear, NeoGeo Pocket. That's the company the Vita has.

that's a little unfair, the vita did well compared to all of those... especially at first in the us, even a year ago it was selling decently. the difference is that, unlike nintendo with the wobbly 3ds launch, at the first sign of trouble in the western market in particular sony basically threw it under the bus.

for all its technical prowess compared to the 3ds, the complete absence of games has already hurt and will only continue to further hurt and erode the vita's chances of a turnaround, which at this point hover somewhere between overwhelmingly implausible to essentially nonexistent. but for example, if in releasing the slim sony had knocked down the price to 169.99 or even 149.99 to compete aggressively with the (frankly) overpriced 3ds/3ds xl and fixed the hidden cost issue with the propriety memory cards, as well as recomitting to releasing a few games beyond freedom wars, i think the vita would have gotten a new lease on life and be well on its way to selling 13-15m by 2016. (right now much more than 10m is basically not going to happen.)



joeorc on 05 December 2014
HoloDust said:
joeorc said:
HoloDust said:


Not sure what you  mean by too powerful..you do realize that both nVidia Shield Tablet and iPad Air 2 are generation ahead of Vita? And when I say generation ahead I mean PS4 to PS360 jump, not iPad Air 2 to iPad Air jump, which means they can currently run 7th gen console level games...like Trine 2 for example.

By the time next Nintendo handheld launches, that type of performance will be in most, if not every, mid-tier tablets...so they better have at least that kind of performance in their next device.


excuse me?

LMAO, you do know the playstation Vita has the SGX543MP4+ GPU with 128 MB of dedicated Video ram, not to mention not only is this the very same GPU that is in the iPAD III

but also has a much faster GPU clock rate than the iPAD III GPU.

so to say the above nvidia shield, and the iPad Air 2 is  generation ahead is pretty ironic. 

You are excused...to go and check your facts.

iPad 3 has the same, but higher clocked GPU (250 vs 200MHz in Vita).

But just for fun, I won't even compare Shield Tablet/Air 2 with iPad 3...I'll use iPad 4 which stomps both iPad 3 and Vita.

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx30&D1=Apple+iPad+Air+2&os1=iOS&api1=gl&D2=Apple+iPad+4&cols=2

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx30&D1=NVIDIA+Shield+tablet&os1=Android&api1=gl&D2=Apple+iPad+4&cols=2

Of course, this is for offscreen performance, which shows true potential of SoC - for onscreen, Vita has 6x less pixels to draw than iPads.

umm try again:

that SGX543MP4+ its @ upto 600 Mhz for that GPU that was  a test bench @ 200 MHz that is not what the PSVita's GPU is rated @

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-ngp-processor-performance/1100-6287063/

but if you look at the SGX543MP4 "+"

THAT PLUS IS MORE THAN THE STANDARD SPEED OF @200 MHz

PowerVR SGX543MP4+
Quad-Core
200Mhz to 600Mhz

IT WAS HEAVY MODDED



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Screamapillar on 05 December 2014

It needs to manage to last a single generation, first. It's completely burnt out everywhere except Japan, and even there it's not selling all that well. Low software support has completely crippled any chance that system had.



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ps_wiro on 05 December 2014

I'd say that they should just leave it as is, maybe do a supper slim launch at some point. Then it can maybe go on for about 4-5 years and of course sport it a bit more (games)



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HoloDust on 05 December 2014
joeorc said:
HoloDust said:
joeorc said:
HoloDust said:


Not sure what you  mean by too powerful..you do realize that both nVidia Shield Tablet and iPad Air 2 are generation ahead of Vita? And when I say generation ahead I mean PS4 to PS360 jump, not iPad Air 2 to iPad Air jump, which means they can currently run 7th gen console level games...like Trine 2 for example.

By the time next Nintendo handheld launches, that type of performance will be in most, if not every, mid-tier tablets...so they better have at least that kind of performance in their next device.


excuse me?

LMAO, you do know the playstation Vita has the SGX543MP4+ GPU with 128 MB of dedicated Video ram, not to mention not only is this the very same GPU that is in the iPAD III

but also has a much faster GPU clock rate than the iPAD III GPU.

so to say the above nvidia shield, and the iPad Air 2 is  generation ahead is pretty ironic. 

You are excused...to go and check your facts.

iPad 3 has the same, but higher clocked GPU (250 vs 200MHz in Vita).

But just for fun, I won't even compare Shield Tablet/Air 2 with iPad 3...I'll use iPad 4 which stomps both iPad 3 and Vita.

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx30&D1=Apple+iPad+Air+2&os1=iOS&api1=gl&D2=Apple+iPad+4&cols=2

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx30&D1=NVIDIA+Shield+tablet&os1=Android&api1=gl&D2=Apple+iPad+4&cols=2

Of course, this is for offscreen performance, which shows true potential of SoC - for onscreen, Vita has 6x less pixels to draw than iPads.

umm try again:

that SGX543MP4+ its @ upto 600 Mhz for that GPU that was  a test bench @ 200 MHz that is not what the PSVita's GPU is rated @

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-ngp-processor-performance/1100-6287063/

but if you look at the SGX543MP4 "+"

THAT PLUS IS MORE THAN THE STANDARD SPEED OF @200 MHz

PowerVR SGX543MP4+
Quad-Core
200Mhz to 600Mhz

IT WAS HEAVY MODDED


You...amuse me. Nowhere in that article you linked, that still calls Vita NGP (so that's how fresh it is) there's a mention of 600MHz...which, if you know a bit or two about 543, is not what it's even capable of running at.

Again, check few facts before spewing random nonsense, I will certainly not do it for you - for quite some time now consensus is that Vita's GPU clock is 200MHz, and even if at max 400MHz, that was speculated on some occasions, K1 and A8X simply slaugther it...

...which is quite fair, considering 543 is 2009 tech, and while Vita is a great piece of hardware, it's completely ridicilous to compare it with 2014 tech in Shield Tablet and iPad Air 2.



mymuro on 05 December 2014

A zombie handheld? Yeah why not?