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mysticwolf said:

1. God has a predetermined purpose for the world, and the Bible shows that he intervenes in the natural world as necessary to accomplish that plan

3. Since we see a large number of low-probability evens that seem to be directed towards a goal, these would be best explained as interventions.

1. Does this plan directly involve humans? Why did God wait billions of years for humans to come about?

3. Can you give some examples?

I simply took this from a book, I don't even remember which one, maybe it wasn't the best move. 

1. Yes it does, but I wouldn't say that humans are the exclusive focus of this plan. This should also answer the second question. But to elaborate, if we assume that God has always been in existence, and that he doesn't experience time the same way we do, it wouldn't necessarily be a long time. And it's not like he was just sitting there waiting. I'm sure he had other things to do. But I also think that we wouldn't be able to comprehend some of the reasons that he does what he does, and how he thinks, etc. But the question of why it took billions of years is a good one, and I don't have a good answer because I've asked the same question to myself. 

3. No, I don't think I can. I probably shouldn't have included that part. Maybe simply the existence of man? When you think about it, there is nothing else like humans on the planet. If you start with one of the latest common ancestor of chimps and humans, Sahelanthropus tchadensus - the necessary physiological and anatomical adaptations that have to happen to go from that to Homo sapiens is crazy, especially the modification and enlarging of the brain. Homo erectus didn't appear until around 1.8 million years ago. 

Homo sapiens appeared somewhere in the vicinity of 200K years ago, but had relatively little impact on the world until the last 50K years. Something happened to Homo sapiens' brain and modern behavior started to appear, and set us apart from H. neanderthalis, H. heidelbergansis, and the other members of the Homo genus. All the other members died, and we outcompeted them. 10K years ago we invented agriculture, and after that the human population began its exponential growth. 

200,000 years ago we were probably only slightly smater than chimps with a not-so-significant population. Now we pretty much rule the world. This is what does it for me. Behavioral modernity. According to natural selection, something like this should have taken millions of years. But something suddenly happened in our brains, and we started exhibiting signs of modern behavior, like advanced tool making, fishing, dancing, etc. I believe this change was the work of God.



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Nintentacle said:

 

Religion: Christian

Earth age: 6,000-12,000 (I'm not sure if the creation was 6 human days, or 6 of God days/6,000 years)

Evolution or Creationism: Both. Earth has a creator, but species do evolve in some way.

UFOs: Either government or demons.

Ghosts: Angels and/or Demons.

Bible prophecy: Truth.

Dinosaurs: Lived with man, and died off.

 


Now we´re talking. I forgot that UFOs can be government as well.

But, then again, if we are most governments are ruled by puppets controled by demons and fallen angels.



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WagnerPaiva said:
Nintentacle said:

 

Religion: Christian

Earth age: 6,000-12,000 (I'm not sure if the creation was 6 human days, or 6 of God days/6,000 years)

Evolution or Creationism: Both. Earth has a creator, but species do evolve in some way.

UFOs: Either government or demons.

Ghosts: Angels and/or Demons.

Bible prophecy: Truth.

Dinosaurs: Lived with man, and died off.

 


Now we´re talking. I forgot that UFOs can be government as well.

But, then again, if we are most governments are ruled by puppets controled by demons and fallen angels.

IlLuMiNaTi!



Leadified said:

Religion: None
Earth age: Around 4.5 billion years or so.
Evolution or Creationism: Evolution
UFOs: Exactly as the name implies, it could be anything from a bird or a plane. Who knows.
Ghosts: Don't believe in them
Bible prophecy: Fiction
Dinosaurs: Non-avian dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.

I am what you call: boring.


I somehow thought you have a less scientifical mind man. Interesting nonetheless...



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BraveNewWorld said:
Religion: I don't know. I'm but a man.

Earth age: A youthful 4.5 billion years of age

Evolution or Creationism: Evolution

UFOs: Certain cases defy explanation. Not necessarily extraterrestrial in nature.

Ghosts: No.

Bible prophecy: No.

Dinosaurs: Ruled the Earth for 135 million years.

Ghosts: No. That was kinda funny, like I was offering you some ghosts... lol



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WagnerPaiva said:
Leadified said:

Religion: None
Earth age: Around 4.5 billion years or so.
Evolution or Creationism: Evolution
UFOs: Exactly as the name implies, it could be anything from a bird or a plane. Who knows.
Ghosts: Don't believe in them
Bible prophecy: Fiction
Dinosaurs: Non-avian dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.

I am what you call: boring.


I somehow thought you have a less scientifical mind man. Interesting nonetheless...

Why did you believe that?




Religion: None
Earth age: 4.5 billion years old
Evolution or Creationism: Evolution.
UFOs: I'm pretty sure there's life on other planets taking in consideration the age and size of the Universe but they haven't reached us.
Ghosts: I don't believe in ghosts, but I like to read ghost stories.
Bible prophecy:  I don't believe in it, but I respect those who do.
Dinosaurs: They went extinct 65 millions years ago.



Leadified said:
WagnerPaiva said:
Leadified said:

Religion: None
Earth age: Around 4.5 billion years or so.
Evolution or Creationism: Evolution
UFOs: Exactly as the name implies, it could be anything from a bird or a plane. Who knows.
Ghosts: Don't believe in them
Bible prophecy: Fiction
Dinosaurs: Non-avian dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.

I am what you call: boring.


I somehow thought you have a less scientifical mind man. Interesting nonetheless...

Why did you believe that?


Star Fox + Kojima + Pokemon... I have no explanation, it is just a feeling I had. We always try to figure out people, don´t we? 



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finalrpgfantasy said:

Religion: None
Earth age: 4.5 billion years old
Evolution or Creationism: Evolution.
UFOs: I'm pretty sure there's life on other planets taking in consideration the age and size of the Universe but they haven't reached us.
Ghosts: I don't believe in ghosts, but I like to read ghost stories.
Bible prophecy:  I don't believe in it, but I respect those who do.
Dinosaurs: They went extinct 65 millions years ago.


How about this guy?



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Putting high value on one's own beliefs is an extremely risky move. Outside of religious extremists, you will rarely find two people who share the exact same beliefs; beliefs which they have mainly crafted according to their own preferences (by valuing some parts of their respective religious writings and calling other parts symbolic, or even incorrect) rather than believing in what they find more credible.

The end result is that you have billions of people with different beliefs, and that either extremely few or none actually have the correct belief. Heck, all you have to do is assume that humans have altered a single significant part of the Bible (assuming it was true at some point in time) and suddenly everyone who believes in that part have an incorrect belief.


What do I believe? I believe you have a far greater chance of winning the lottery than you have of guessing the truth.