bubblegamer said:
Nah. More like beliving something isn't true because one can't imagine it. |
Atheists cannot imagine infinite but can still believe it's a true concept. I don't see your point. Besides, how does that make atheism a religion?
Is Nintentacle Religionintentacle? | |||
| Yes. | 6 | 75.00% | |
| No. | 1 | 12.50% | |
| Maybe so. | 1 | 12.50% | |
| Total: | 8 | ||
bubblegamer said:
Nah. More like beliving something isn't true because one can't imagine it. |
Atheists cannot imagine infinite but can still believe it's a true concept. I don't see your point. Besides, how does that make atheism a religion?
Leadified said:
That is not the Jesus prophecy but the prophecy of the Jewish messiah. Jews do not believe Jesus is the messiah. |
I'm saying Jesus fulfilled the prophecies.
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."
"In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness."
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass."
"Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
"And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord."
"The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
And so on...
As a side note, we know all the prophecies existed before Jesus was born from Mary because of the Septuagint.
| Nintentacle said: Islam and Christianity have very similar end times. The Mahdi in Islam is replaced by the Antichrist in Christianity, Jesus by the False Prophet, and Dajjal by Jesus Christ. Taking this into account, the Mahdi/Antichrist will force a one world religion (Mahdi will do Islam, unknown for Antichrist. Although Islam is a possibility; Look up "Chi Xi Stigma") and kill Jews and Christians. Assuming the Chi Xi Stigma interpretation is correct, than the end times in Christianity and Islam are the exact same, but the bad guys are replaced with good guys. Another thing to note, is that it says the one Allah abhors most will call himself "King of Kings", which is exactly what Jesus calls himself in the Book of Revelation. In my opinion, either Muhammad is either unoriginal, or Islam is Satanic. |
looks like you are ignoring mys answer. Lets me repeat again.
Christian Antichrist == Dajjal. Muslim love christ... so they cannot be anti-christ and muslim believe the 2nd coming of jesus christ and will follow the Jesus christ (same believe like christian). When Mahdi lead muslim, all muslim will unite (syiah+sunni) and they have war with gog and magog.
When jesus coming, muslim+jesus unite and togather they will fight dajjal (anti-christ).
*In Quran, Jesus sent to world again to correct the christian, that he is not God. The one opposed the Jesus == Dajjal == anti-christ.
bubblegamer said:
Describing something is neutral. I'm not the one who thinks that. The one who fanatically belive other's belives are wrong fall into this category though. |
What's the difference between fanatically believing and just believing? Why does denying classification as a religion make an atheist's non-belief fall into your fanatical category?
EDIT: Sorry to be engaging in off topic discussion. I like the fact that this thread is talking about the Quran.
bg if you want to continue this I suggest we do it in messages/new thread or something.

Nintentacle said:
I'm saying Jesus fulfilled the prophecies. -snip- And so on... As a side note, we know all the prophecies existed because of the Septuagint. |
Well apparently not. In Jesus' time the whole world did not worship the God of Abraham (Isaiah 2:11-17), people have obviously still died since Jesus (Isaiah 25:8), the dead should've all come back (Isaiah 26:19) and there was no worldwide Torah study when Jesus came. (Jeremiah 31:33).
We're getting off topic though, you should probably make a new thread if you want this conversation to go on.
| Nintentacle said: The last one didn't work out well: Complaints about everything! The new and improved! Sura 7:157 says "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel" In other words, until someone finds the name of Muhammad in the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, or Deuteronomy), or the Gospel, no one has a reason to believe. |
u should read full ayat not cut in the midle, the ayat is talk about every muslim have to follow Muhammad whom the name found on the original bible and Torah, and the people who found the name or found some clue from the bible and Torah is very a fortunate people. It doesnt say "until someone finds the name of Muhammad in the Torah no one has a reason to beleve!"

comflash2 said:
looks like you are ignoring mys answer. Lets me repeat again. |
I am talking about from a Christian point of view.
The Jesus I believe in is the Son of God (See my above post responding to Leadified)
The Jesus in Islam that is sent to convince people that he is not the Son of God, and promotes Islam/Mahdi is basically the Second Beast in Revelation 13 who preforms miracles to convince people of the Antichrist, and, if it were possible, deceiving the very elect, or true Christians according to Matthew 24:24. False Christ preforming miracles?)
Matthew 24:24 reads, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
| LurkerJ said: An Interestin bit about animals. The guy in the video linked above by your fellow Muslim says that anything non human (even stars?) is considered a muslim. They are in heaven by default as a result. It does make some sense from your religion's perspective at least. However, the merciness part still doesn't sit with me at all. For Allah to call himself the most merciful he has to really go out of his way to show mercy at all times. Which I don't believe he does. If you want to believe that the test we are given is fair, just and merciful, go ahead. I, however, believe that Allah doesn't deserve the most merciful award. As I said earlier, it would've been more merciful if we weren't created at all. I would like to hear your input on the discussion I am having with your fellow Muslim here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6760652 . I will understand if don't have the time to do it or you simply don't care enough to continue. Thank you either way. |
You understand that LurkerJ. I think, you quite interested to understand Islam instead of just blindly bashing islam... so i'll entertain your question.
All of the creation is servant of Allah (zakir naik use the word Muslim), however, they wont get benefit to the heaven. Only freewill creation will be rewarded to be in heaven (thats why Human accept the challenge), and risking to be into hell. There is 2 kind of freewill creation that will go to Heaven and Hell... they are Human and Jinn. Human made from sand (which adam made from) and Jinn made from fire (Iblis (not sure what it is in english), syaitan (devil) etc is Jinn) and they both will be judge either to go into the Heaven and Hell. Other creation will not go to either of this.
HollyGamer said:
u should read full ayat not cut in the midle, the ayat is talk about every muslim have to follow Muhammad whom the name found on the original bible and Torah, and the people who found the name or found some clue from the bible and Torah is very a fortunate people. It doesnt say "until someone finds the name of Muhammad in the Torah no one has a reason to beleve!" |
I worded it wrong. I should have said, "Until someone finds Muhammad in the Torah and/or Gospel, then you don't have a reason to believe he is in the Torah and/or Gospel.
| Leadified said: Well apparently not. In Jesus' time the whole world did not worship the God of Abraham (Isaiah 2:11-17), people have obviously still died since Jesus (Isaiah 25:8), the dead should've all come back (Isaiah 26:19) and there was no worldwide Torah study when Jesus came. (Jeremiah 31:33). We're getting off topic though, you should probably make a new thread if you want this conversation to go on. |
Isaiah 2, Isaiah 25:8, Isaiah 26:19, and Jeremiah 31:33 will all be fulfilled at the Second Coming of Christ (See Revelation)