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HylianSwordsman said:
I am Mr. Game & Watch, town voyeur. It's a rather useless role, but the wiki says it's useful for confirming powers. The flavor is that I, er...am literally a voyeur. That is, I do my neutral A attack, where he pumps his tube of insecticide, but it's not a tube of insecticide. Prof has a sense of humor. In addition, I can choose to use my two-dimensionality, which makes me turn sideways and become intangible, and thus untargetable, so basically a commuter effect, but this is x-shot. I watch what is done to people, not who does it. The first night, I watched myself but did not use the 2-D effect. I was indeed investigated. Khan is most definitely a cop, the flavor matched and everything. I stopped suspecting him because I had fairly hard evidence that he was telling the truth.

Here's Hylian's claim. Seems pretty town as it's pretty complex.  Also seems to mention Khan confirming his role as a cop though it's a bit odd not able to tell what kind of cop he is. He says the flavor matches but does that mean the role gives the pm or something



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AstroGamer said:
HylianSwordsman said:
I am Mr. Game & Watch, town voyeur. It's a rather useless role, but the wiki says it's useful for confirming powers. The flavor is that I, er...am literally a voyeur. That is, I do my neutral A attack, where he pumps his tube of insecticide, but it's not a tube of insecticide. Prof has a sense of humor. In addition, I can choose to use my two-dimensionality, which makes me turn sideways and become intangible, and thus untargetable, so basically a commuter effect, but this is x-shot. I watch what is done to people, not who does it. The first night, I watched myself but did not use the 2-D effect. I was indeed investigated. Khan is most definitely a cop, the flavor matched and everything. I stopped suspecting him because I had fairly hard evidence that he was telling the truth.

Here's Hylian's claim. Seems pretty town as it's pretty complex.  Also seems to mention Khan confirming his role as a cop though it's a bit odd not able to tell what kind of cop he is. He says the flavor matches but does that mean the role gives the pm or something

Which day was that? Day 2? - Finally Hylian - What exactly did it say was done to you?

The insecticide part could hint at the poisoner after all though. Telling the truth while also lying - anyway - not that important. I want to reiterate all his steps and reexplain in more detail, i am quite eager to hear his words now about the whole role thing again.



I can't make sense of what's going on, I'm afraid - I only have feelings on who may be mafia or not, but no evidence because apparently roles and such that we thought we were dealing with no longer seem to be the case. Having said that, I'm really not convinced on the alignment of Impertinence, just from the tone of some of his more recent posts.



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AstroGamer said:
HylianSwordsman said:
I am Mr. Game & Watch, town voyeur. It's a rather useless role, but the wiki says it's useful for confirming powers. The flavor is that I, er...am literally a voyeur. That is, I do my neutral A attack, where he pumps his tube of insecticide, but it's not a tube of insecticide. Prof has a sense of humor. In addition, I can choose to use my two-dimensionality, which makes me turn sideways and become intangible, and thus untargetable, so basically a commuter effect, but this is x-shot. I watch what is done to people, not who does it. The first night, I watched myself but did not use the 2-D effect. I was indeed investigated. Khan is most definitely a cop, the flavor matched and everything. I stopped suspecting him because I had fairly hard evidence that he was telling the truth.

Here's Hylian's claim. Seems pretty town as it's pretty complex.  Also seems to mention Khan confirming his role as a cop though it's a bit odd not able to tell what kind of cop he is. He says the flavor matches but does that mean the role gives the pm or something

I don't know how much prof actually plays Smash Bros, either. Many of the roles we've seen so far haven't been as fleshed out as a hardcore smash fan might make them.



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Interesting. Stefl is basically admitting to interfering with Khan's scan, which means Imp isn't scanned. This is the plan I followed last night:

ok, so to allow for some testing while also having khan scan imp.
Stefl hammers
radish targets stefl again (yes I know, but you'll see)
stefl targets khan
khan targets imp
imp targets me
hylian targets khan
I target clyde

from that, stefl, khan and myself are safe. Clyde as well but that's also because if he's scum he will be blocked.

Stefl and hylian are tested. Hylian will only see that radish targets stefl if his action gets pulled to stefl and stefl will see that hylian targets who we say

Radish, imp astro and hylian are vulnerable, though hylian might have an x shot left.

I didn't quote it directly so as not to bother Wonk, but it's on page 36 at 50 ppp.

 

I targeted Khan and stefl wasn't there. No lightning rodding (whatever that would look like), no watching, no guarding, nothing. So his saying that Khan targeted Imp and got him checks out. For a moment I was afraid my x-shot had gotten in the way somehow of me being redirected to stefl, but I should have still seen stefl even if my x-shot prevented me from being redirected. So for now I believe stefl that he has knowledge that Khan targeted Imp. If he'd said he'd targeted Khan as per the plan, I'd not have believed him.

This does have some serious implications though. If stefl is telling the truth, he's probably town. But then that's even more evidence that spurge was lying. Because again, either Khan has a passive role that makes him think he's scanning people when he isn't, Khan is scum that's played us all along, or spurge is a miller that lied about Khan. I refuse to believe the first, and you can find that scummy if you like but as far as I'm concerned it's just logic. And besides, I know Khan investigated me, so he's not passive. Which means he's either scum with some investigative role like a rolecop, or spurge is lying and a miller. If you don't think spurge is lying, then Khan is scum, plain and simple. The only real way spurge could have been telling the truth and Khan still be town is if stefl is lying about his role. His not being at Khan's last night and confirming that Khan went to Imp decreases that chance.



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AstroGamer said:
HylianSwordsman said:
I am Mr. Game & Watch, town voyeur. It's a rather useless role, but the wiki says it's useful for confirming powers. The flavor is that I, er...am literally a voyeur. That is, I do my neutral A attack, where he pumps his tube of insecticide, but it's not a tube of insecticide. Prof has a sense of humor. In addition, I can choose to use my two-dimensionality, which makes me turn sideways and become intangible, and thus untargetable, so basically a commuter effect, but this is x-shot. I watch what is done to people, not who does it. The first night, I watched myself but did not use the 2-D effect. I was indeed investigated. Khan is most definitely a cop, the flavor matched and everything. I stopped suspecting him because I had fairly hard evidence that he was telling the truth.

Here's Hylian's claim. Seems pretty town as it's pretty complex.  Also seems to mention Khan confirming his role as a cop though it's a bit odd not able to tell what kind of cop he is. He says the flavor matches but does that mean the role gives the pm or something

I confirm he's a cop without saying what sort of cop he is because I don't seem to see roles, just actions. That is, I don't see the role name, I get a description of what they did. I was told I was investigated night 1. I assumed that meant cop because I figured it would have said watched for a watcher or have some reference to tracking for a tracker, but maybe it isn't even that specific. After all, for Imp's action on spurge, I wasn't told that spurge was "doctored" or "healed" but rather "protected". By the flavor matching, I meant that the PM seemed to say that my investigator wasn't as interested in me as he was in what I was holding.



So why was spurge lying about Smeags again?



Clyde32 said:
So why was spurge lying about Smeags again?


Good question. It doesn't make much sense at all to lie about that part. I actually think he wasn't lying about that. Remember, there was a redirector. The first night, spurge was likely redirected to someone, and just thought he saw a jester move, when he wasn't targeting the jester at all. I should add that this does mean the redirector was targeting spurge, not Khan, that night, to all those who insist Khan was redirected.



So, wait, stefl absorbed my scan of imp last night?

I have hesitance to move against Imp because we lost the last game when we mis-lynched him.



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Mr Khan said:

So, wait, stefl absorbed my scan of imp last night?

I have hesitance to move against Imp because we lost the last game when we mis-lynched him.


Certainly seems that way. Which means he could be scum. I already suspect him for doubting the miller. The only question is why is there a scum doctor? There don't seem to be any town killing roles. But that could be explained if there is indeed a serial killer. Though that would mean that the scum team knew there was a serial killer, and that they have a psychiatrist, which I think is rare for scum. But certainly Imp did target spurge, and spurge did seem to be lying, so it all adds up that he's a psychiatrist that thought spurge was scum. Ironically, spurge may have saved us all by lying, drawing away a scum psych from the real SK. Similarly, the jester won because scum thought he was an SK and didn't want to kill him or vote for him. Look at the voting record for Smeag's lynch. Who didn't vote for him? Yoshiya. Know who else? The supposed psychiatrist.