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Mr Khan said:
impertinence said:
I really don't think it makes much sense to think Spurge was a miller. For one, I would think the flip would reveal him as a miller if he indeed was, second if Spurge was a miller it doesn't make sense that he never claimed it. If he was miller he should have claimed that immediately, or at the very least not lie and force suspicion on himself. In any case, after he was scanned he would definitely have claimed. Anything else makes absolutely no sense.

I think it makes much more sense to find out why Khan scanned him as scum when he wasn't. Either the scan was redirected or corrupted somehow, or he was lying about it. I guess Stefl could have targeted Spurge and redirected the scan onto himself (not sure if that is possible with the different confirmations we have, would have to go back and recheck this). Or, Khan is not really a cop and has been playing us the whole game. In this case, White was likely the real cop and Khan stole his claim. It also likely means the Hylian is scum as well and the whole scan me please and confirmation was set up to clear him.

I don't see why i would lie about it. If i were scum and running a deception, i would have heaped suspicion on Spurge in the first "Settle it in Smash" way back when, and not outed padib who had very little suspicion against him until i decided it had to be him (and it turns out i was really right about that: the other three of us were, in fact, town). 

I'm currently running on the "my power is more useless than it seems" card, myself. 

At this point, though, it's either Hylian or somebody who has voted for scum in the past.

The thing is, you scanned Spurge after the mafia redirector was lynched, he came up guilty, we lynched him and he was town. This is indisputable. There are a few possible explanations for this:

Stefl targeted spurge and made you scan him instead => stefl is scum

You never scanned spurge and just made up the scan result => you are scum

Spurge was a miller but didn't know it and it was never revealed to him nor us at the flip => prof is scum

And then it's the explanantion you are trying to give: your power is just a pretend power that can't be trusted. Of all the possibilities, this is the one that I buy the least, and your constant attempts to try to distance yourself from your own scans as you've done with Yoshiya, Spurge and now the scan on me seems like you are just trying to build cover for why you scan people as scum and they can still show up town.



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Stefl1504 said:
Also, worth noting that there was no janitoring tonight after tonights kill... weird how nobody noticed that...

Yes, I did notice that as well. I also noticed we have not had another poisioning since Nickles went down. Implications?

Spurge was not the janitor, so either the janitor is an X shot (with many shots apparently) or there are more than one scum left.

Also, since there is no poison kill again we have a couple of possibilities:

The SK targetted me or Stefl last night, The SK is dead, killed by the janitor and we just don't know it yet, there never was an SK and the phsycologist part of my role is just put in there to weaken the doctor protection to balance out all the other protection town has. 



Stefl1504 said:
btw - the princess not dying seems utterly weird~

I'm of the mind that Astro is utterly unconfirmed as town or princess and I see him as one of the most likely scum candidates left alive. To me it's down to Khan or Astro as the most suspicious at this point. 



Again, there's no reason for me to dump padib if i had been scum. I could have just as easily turned on spurge or whiteeagle day one.

I've acted uncertain about my power just because my power doesn't communicate much: just because i see an item, what makes it so threatening? I mean, i'm the one who outed and downed Yoshiya, successfully, which made me confident in my power and why i went towards spurge.

So my lack of confidence in my power has been proven, but given that i'm the one who carried the two scum lynches so far, i should still be above suspicion.

Hylian, Stefl, and Astrogamer are the only possibles, and each of them comes up as iffy. The latter two because they helped vote Yoshiya out, the former because he's been pretty reliable so far despite never having voted for any scum.



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Mr Khan said:
Again, there's no reason for me to dump padib if i had been scum. I could have just as easily turned on spurge or whiteeagle day one.

I've acted uncertain about my power just because my power doesn't communicate much: just because i see an item, what makes it so threatening? I mean, i'm the one who outed and downed Yoshiya, successfully, which made me confident in my power and why i went towards spurge.

So my lack of confidence in my power has been proven, but given that i'm the one who carried the two scum lynches so far, i should still be above suspicion.

Hylian, Stefl, and Astrogamer are the only possibles, and each of them comes up as iffy. The latter two because they helped vote Yoshiya out, the former because he's been pretty reliable so far despite never having voted for any scum.

Except for the only viable lynch alternative to padib was you. So there was plenty of reason for you to go after him: save your own skin; bussing him to cover your own ass when the scans start turning up duds or you could just be the SK who just wants to see everyone dead I guess. Don't pretend that you voting for padib is any sort of confirmation that you must be town.



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Mr Khan said:
impertinence said:
I really don't think it makes much sense to think Spurge was a miller. For one, I would think the flip would reveal him as a miller if he indeed was, second if Spurge was a miller it doesn't make sense that he never claimed it. If he was miller he should have claimed that immediately, or at the very least not lie and force suspicion on himself. In any case, after he was scanned he would definitely have claimed. Anything else makes absolutely no sense.

I think it makes much more sense to find out why Khan scanned him as scum when he wasn't. Either the scan was redirected or corrupted somehow, or he was lying about it. I guess Stefl could have targeted Spurge and redirected the scan onto himself (not sure if that is possible with the different confirmations we have, would have to go back and recheck this). Or, Khan is not really a cop and has been playing us the whole game. In this case, White was likely the real cop and Khan stole his claim. It also likely means the Hylian is scum as well and the whole scan me please and confirmation was set up to clear him.

I don't see why i would lie about it. If i were scum and running a deception, i would have heaped suspicion on Spurge in the first "Settle it in Smash" way back when, and not outed padib who had very little suspicion against him until i decided it had to be him (and it turns out i was really right about that: the other three of us were, in fact, town). 

I'm currently running on the "my power is more useless than it seems" card, myself. 

At this point, though, it's either Hylian or somebody who has voted for scum in the past.


So your power just randomly got Yoshiya correct, randomly got me wrong, and randomly got spurge wrong, and instead of pushing spurge on Day 2 I pushed Yoshiya? Is that what you're saying? Okay dude. Rather than believe there's an established role out there, miller, you're going to go for your power being fake. You're not a flavor cop, because the bat and the balance board only give flavor for character, not alignment or role, and if that were all your power does, you'd get items for everyone, and your PM wouldn't say anything about whether the item was dangerous or not. You're not a role cop, because again, the bat and balance board say nothing about the roles of their owners. You're not an item cop, because there's no reason to believe either spurge or Yoshiya had items. Especially not spurge. What you are is a normal, traditional alignment cop. The item your scouts bring back always indicates that the person is dangerous, because if there were no "dangerous items" then your scouts would bring back nothing at all. It doesn't mean they're unarmed, it means they're town. You're not going to get a power that does nothing but give random reads. Not when there's a more logical explanation. You're using terrible logic again, and your insistence that suddenly your power does nothing now that it's killed a townie is really rubbing me the wrong way. Your power either does do something and spurge was a one time fluke due to being a hidden miller, or you're a scum rolecop or other investigative role and that's why I saw you investigate me.

In fact, finger of suspicion at both you AND imp. You for pushing this "my power doesn't actually work" bullcrap and clearing imp, imp for being cleared by you and saying it's not a miller when it obviously is.

Also, if you were scum running a deception, heaping suspicion on spurge before there was any hard evidence like there was yesterday would have just gotten you killed. If you're scum, you bussed padib because he was the only other person people were going for that wouldn't get you lynched the next day, and you bussed Yoshiya because stefl already exposed him as having targeted spurge. Then you used your credibility provided by helping with Yoshiya to make us all believe your spurge scan because spurge was an easy target.

Now I personally want to believe you're town, Khan, but I just can't buy this "my power seemed to work but now it doesn't and I don't know why" crap. You have to admit, the first day, my logic against you was sound. You played scummy. And you have to admit, the narrative in the paragraph above this one is possible. Maybe not likely, but possible, at least in the mind of anyone who doesn't know your alignment for sure, and all I know is that you investigated, not what sort of investigation it was or what your alignment is. Now if I were you and I were town, I'd suggest you start going back to Occam's Razor ASAP. The simplest explanation is that you DO have a role, it's NOT utterly and completely useless, and spurge was a miller. Hell, maybe he even knew he was a miller, and didn't want to say because he thought it would just make things worse. Either way, Occam's razor says either you did go somewhere and spurge just lied about you, or you're scum, and that either spurge is a miller, or you're scum, because you having a power that makes you think you went somewhere when in fact you didn't and gives you random reads on people is FUCKING STUPID AND OUTLANDISH.



Mr Khan said:
Again, there's no reason for me to dump padib if i had been scum. I could have just as easily turned on spurge or whiteeagle day one.

I've acted uncertain about my power just because my power doesn't communicate much: just because i see an item, what makes it so threatening? I mean, i'm the one who outed and downed Yoshiya, successfully, which made me confident in my power and why i went towards spurge.

So my lack of confidence in my power has been proven, but given that i'm the one who carried the two scum lynches so far, i should still be above suspicion.

Hylian, Stefl, and Astrogamer are the only possibles, and each of them comes up as iffy. The latter two because they helped vote Yoshiya out, the former because he's been pretty reliable so far despite never having voted for any scum.


Are you kidding me? You suspect me for not voting Yoshiya, but you suspect them FOR voting Yoshiya? What's gotten in to you Khan?



HylianSwordsman said:
Mr Khan said:
Again, there's no reason for me to dump padib if i had been scum. I could have just as easily turned on spurge or whiteeagle day one.

I've acted uncertain about my power just because my power doesn't communicate much: just because i see an item, what makes it so threatening? I mean, i'm the one who outed and downed Yoshiya, successfully, which made me confident in my power and why i went towards spurge.

So my lack of confidence in my power has been proven, but given that i'm the one who carried the two scum lynches so far, i should still be above suspicion.

Hylian, Stefl, and Astrogamer are the only possibles, and each of them comes up as iffy. The latter two because they helped vote Yoshiya out, the former because he's been pretty reliable so far despite never having voted for any scum.


Are you kidding me? You suspect me for not voting Yoshiya, but you suspect them FOR voting Yoshiya? What's gotten in to you Khan?

Because i'm frankly out of answers. Unless there were only two mafia, a serial killer and a jester, but that would make even less sense. Somebody either bussed Yoshiya, or it's you.

And i could see bussing Yoshiya, since he was apparently a day away from requesting a replacement. Could be his own teammates were tired of his lack of responsiveness.



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Mr Khan said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Mr Khan said:
Again, there's no reason for me to dump padib if i had been scum. I could have just as easily turned on spurge or whiteeagle day one.

I've acted uncertain about my power just because my power doesn't communicate much: just because i see an item, what makes it so threatening? I mean, i'm the one who outed and downed Yoshiya, successfully, which made me confident in my power and why i went towards spurge.

So my lack of confidence in my power has been proven, but given that i'm the one who carried the two scum lynches so far, i should still be above suspicion.

Hylian, Stefl, and Astrogamer are the only possibles, and each of them comes up as iffy. The latter two because they helped vote Yoshiya out, the former because he's been pretty reliable so far despite never having voted for any scum.


Are you kidding me? You suspect me for not voting Yoshiya, but you suspect them FOR voting Yoshiya? What's gotten in to you Khan?

Because i'm frankly out of answers. Unless there were only two mafia, a serial killer and a jester, but that would make even less sense. Somebody either bussed Yoshiya, or it's you.

And i could see bussing Yoshiya, since he was apparently a day away from requesting a replacement. Could be his own teammates were tired of his lack of responsiveness.


Well I guess that makes sense. After all, if I'm scum, I bussed him too, as I supported his lynch in favor of a much easier mislynch and intended to vote for him until it got too close to the hammer. And he was barely around.



HylianSwordsman said:
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Well I guess that makes sense. After all, if I'm scum, I bussed him too, as I supported his lynch in favor of a much easier mislynch and intended to vote for him until it got too close to the hammer. And he was barely around.

Do provide an account of what you have contributed so far, then.



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