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padib said:

You get what? This is the second time you are alluding to a bias on my part. I never report people and only do when I'm pushed and provoked, can I just ask you to stop treating me like a troll if that's not too much to ask? For PETE's sake?

The topic at hand is simply this:

For the time frame issued, which is a logical timeframe - (why would they use a timeframe where their newest console is not on sale?), PlayStation has highest marketshare for both home console only, AND including handhelds.

padib said:

The Wii is gone, it's not part of the equation. If you're going to talk about your presence in a country, are you going to use a console that is on the way to irrelevance simply to push a number?

Can we be reasonable for a change?

the PS3 is not "on it's way out", it's still selling competitively worldwide, you can't discredit and eject a viable platforms sales just because you want to.

And if you're going to push lifetime sales of consoles and completely ignore the very clear and very apparent disparity in retail availability, then you're hardly being reasonable in return.



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Zanten said:

The sole difference here is WHAT is being omitted. In Sony's case, there is silence on data outside the given time period

Because outside of that time period the PS4 wasn't available at retail, and the conference this information was presented at, is *specifically* about the Vita and PS4



It may not be a lie, but it's not fair from Sony to say numbers we don't like



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Tamron said:
Zanten said:

The sole difference here is WHAT is being omitted. In Sony's case, there is silence on data outside the given time period

Because outside of that time period the PS4 wasn't available at retail, and the conference this information was presented at, is *specifically* about the Vita and PS4

Aye, fair enough. xD I was just grabbing random examples to try and keep the entire thing from being 'One thing Sony omitted, and three things Nintendo would have been omitting,' so didn't stop to think on that one. :3



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padib said:

 


Nickles! You are smarter than this.

It is much more of a crime to a person to offend them on their national culture, religion, sexual orientation and color than it is to create false information about a company. This isn't even about Sony's fans, it's about Sony's corporate numbers.


 

No it really is not. Implying I am stupid for looking at reality and facts for what they are is not a cogent argument. Especially when I am 100% right. Prejudice is not defined by the size or shape of the culture or group of people being attacked nor is the offensiveness of that prejudice. What does affect the offensiveness of that prejudice is the amount of people the perpetrator of that prejudice tried to convince/manipulate into believing that prejudice as fact and giving them credence to attack that culture or group of people. If a racist makes a racist joke in some forum somewhere where only a few people see it, yes it is offensive and it is wrong. However it is considerably more offensive and more wrong is if someone creates an article with the intention getting a lot of traffic in order to convince as many people as possible that the lies and prejudice in it are fact and give people that believe it a reason to attack that culture or group of people.

Like it or not but that is very offensive and it really is not any different than religion, race or country. Hell in these forums alone we have a Microsoft Nation, a Sony Nation and a Nintendo nation. These are nations and cultures unto themselves and that is just one part of the fan base. It is no different for the corporations themselves. It doesn't matter if it is a sub culture or a niche culture. The size and shape does not matter prejudice is prejudice and prejudice is far more offensive if someone tries to convince as many people as possible to believe that prejudice as fact so that they too will attack that culture.

Some references:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture 



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padib said:

1) I'm not talking about what the topic is, I know what it is. I asked you to stop treating me like a troll. If I don't get some kind of acknowledgement on your part I will report you and insist that you get moderated. Learn to debate.

2) It's not about wanting to. We are talking about a number to represent a logical inference, that being the strength of Sony in Japan. From a home console perspective, the PS3's momentum is DOWNWARD. It's not climbing. I honestly see no added value that the PS3 numbers can provide to the PS4's current trend.

I am being reasonable. If I weren't I'd be including Wii lifetime numbers. Now that would be quite unfair wouldn't it?

1) go ahead, i'd rather keep my integrity and risk a short ban than pander to your oversensitivity.

2) it does not matter if you do not see the point of including the PS3's sales or not, the console is still being sold at retail, and is still pulling worthwhile numbers, as such it's just as viable as any other currently available console.

IF we were trying to compare console lifetime numbers of the PS3, then you'd have reason to find issue with it, but we're not, we're comparing sales for a set timeframe, and the only logical reason for wanting to omit the sales data on a very selective manner is to skew numbers.

Sony state that they have 78% marketshare, and they do, wether or not you think the PS3 sales should count, on the other hand is not in any way relevant.



padib said:

1) What part of you treating me like a troll did you not understand. That's not integrity that's 1) disrespectful and 2) disingenuous.

You're not really in any position to call others disrespectful when you more or less outright called Nicklesbe stupid, then treated his input as making no sense, and taken the high road approach more or less the entire thread to the point of listing who you would love to ban.

padib said:

2) I never said their numbers were wrong, how many times do you need me to say that? I am saying that the numbers misrepresent an idea, to which the PS3 numbers bear no weight whatsoever.

PS3 is still sold at retail, thus is still part of the marketshare for sales data - that isn't an argument, that isn't a concept, idea or misrepresentation, it's just reality.



padib said:
Tamron said:
padib said:

1) I'm not talking about what the topic is, I know what it is. I asked you to stop treating me like a troll. If I don't get some kind of acknowledgement on your part I will report you and insist that you get moderated. Learn to debate.

2) It's not about wanting to. We are talking about a number to represent a logical inference, that being the strength of Sony in Japan. From a home console perspective, the PS3's momentum is DOWNWARD. It's not climbing. I honestly see no added value that the PS3 numbers can provide to the PS4's current trend.

I am being reasonable. If I weren't I'd be including Wii lifetime numbers. Now that would be quite unfair wouldn't it?

1) go ahead, i'd rather keep my integrity and risk a short ban than pander to your oversensitivity.

2) it does not matter if you do not see the point of including the PS3's sales or not, the console is still being sold at retail, and is still pulling worthwhile numbers, as such it's just as viable as any other currently available console.

IF we were trying to compare console lifetime numbers of the PS3, then you'd have reason to find issue with it, but we're not, we're comparing sales for a set timeframe, and the only logical reason for wanting to omit the sales data on a very selective manner is to skew numbers.

Sony state that they have 78% marketshare, and they do, wether or not you think the PS3 sales should count, on the other hand is not in any way relevant.

1) What part of you treating me like a troll did you not understand. That's not integrity that's 1) disrespectful and 2) disingenuous. I am just posting my PoV and you are saying things like "Oh, nevermind, I get it!" Integrity my ass.

2) I never said their numbers were wrong, how many times do you need me to say that? I am saying that the numbers misrepresent an idea, to which the PS3 numbers bear no weight whatsoever.

Just nevermind we won't agree. I feel like you will never see what I mean.


Out of curiosity though, WHY don't the PS3 numbers bear weight? I mean, if the Wii is discontinued, then wouldn't access to new Nintendo content- be it developers making new games, or people looking to purchase new titles- solely remain on the Wii U? o_O As opposed to the PS3 which, for consumers AND developers, remains a valid platform, resulting both in less 'system-moving' exclusives, and an undetermined split in sales.

Even JUST comparing PS4 and Wii U sales is disregarding the potential impact of Nintendo putting all their console eggs in a single basket. Then there's the issue that the Wii U has an established install base from which to grow, though usual word of mouth and socially-driven sales, means that comparing sales of a console in its second year to a console in its first is a bit disingenuous.

We can't even compare the PS4's Japan launch period to the Wii U's Japan launch period, because the Wii U launched in December, which could (and likely did) have boosted sales.

There's NO way to 'fairly' compare the sales of the PS4 and Wii U, just lots of 'relatively unfair' ways that's going to stack the chips in favor of either Sony or Nintendo.



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padib said:

1) I'm not talking about what the topic is, I know what it is. I asked you to stop treating me like a troll. If I don't get some kind of acknowledgement on your part I will report you and insist that you get moderated. Learn to debate.

"agree with me and admit you are treating me like a troll or i'll report you and insist you get banned"

That sir, is a threat, and it's also against the forum rules.



padib said:
Tachikoma said:
padib said:

1) I'm not talking about what the topic is, I know what it is. I asked you to stop treating me like a troll. If I don't get some kind of acknowledgement on your part I will report you and insist that you get moderated. Learn to debate.

"agree with me and admit you are treating me like a troll or i'll report you and insist you get banned"

That sir, is a threat, and it's also against the forum rules.

So you would prefer I just do it without trying to resolve it with him up front instead?

This thread just gets sillier and sillier.

you have a terrible attitude,  bro.