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Yes McGilliguts I am exactly that! Why is that such a ludicrous concept? If God created the world and everything in it then put you on this world is it too much that he also give you some guidelines to follow? I would say that NOT giving us these guidelines would be nonsensical.

Islam does not favour slavery, it acknowledged it as a reality and regulated it with the general aim of abolishing it. In fact, one of the greatest deeds is to free a slave.



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That scenario is actually in the quran... when God commanded Ibraheem (Abraham) to slaughter his son. Even he, a prophet, had reservations so i can't say i wouldn't hesitate.

Anyhow your question is flawed, God does not burden a soul with more than it can bear. The commands have been revealed and that is all, no point speculating about what ifs that won't occur

I feel we have derailed the thread lol. If you're really interested in a proper discussion i can give you my email or even facebook, whatever works for you



nil8r153 said:
Yes McGilliguts I am exactly that! Why is that such a ludicrous concept? If God created the world and everything in it then put you on this world is it too much that he also give you some guidelines to follow? I would say that NOT giving us these guidelines would be nonsensical.

Islam does not favour slavery, it acknowledged it as a reality and regulated it with the general aim of abolishing it. In fact, one of the greatest deeds is to free a slave.


Islam in the koran openly sanctions slavery. Therefore the god of Islam is a wicked tyrant. I would never willingly follow such a being.

also, I'll point out that your interpretation of Islamic slavery is a modern one, utterly at odds with historical Islam, and demonstrates that morality derived from religious texts is not fixed but in fact highly subjective and changeable. 



Prove it. No crappy mistranslations or misinterpretations please

 

Lol I am faaaar from being one of those modernists/apologists bro. I wholeheartedly stand by EVERYTHING in Islam without compromise and follow the classical scholars not these modern day hippies



nil8r153 said:
Prove it. No crappy mistranslations or misinterpretations please


You already admitted as much yourself.

" it acknowledged it as a reality and regulated it with the general aim of abolishing it. In fact, one of the greatest deeds is to free a slave."

In other words you agree that Islam has sanctioned slavery, and in fact several Muslim countries still allow it - chad, Niger, Mali, Sudan and Mauritania.



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Sanctioning and regulating are pretty different :/

 

Also the practice of "Muslim" countries can hardly be used as evidence. The leaders are corrupt and do not embrace the Islamic shariah but rather take bits and pieces so their system can resemble it somewhat. Pretty gay. Saudi Arabia, for example, allows interest which is vehemently forbidden by Islam.



nil8r153 said:

Sanctioning and regulating are pretty different :/

 

Also the practice of "Muslim" countries can hardly be used as evidence. The leaders are corrupt and do not embrace the Islamic shariah but rather take bits and pieces so their system can resemble it somewhat. Pretty gay. Saudi Arabia, for example, allows interest which is vehemently forbidden by Islam.


Sanction means to permit or allow, so if slavery is being regulated it is implicitly sanctioned.



The same is of course true for adults. This simply shows that the intellectual divide sets at a very young age.



Ok... It allowed it to continue with the general aim of abolishing it... i feel like nothing changed there lol

At the end of the day we are discussing the specifics, mere secondary matters. It comes down to belief. If you believe in God you know that he knows better and trust his judgements. If you don't believe you will either sincerely attempt to research the possibility of a religion being the truth or sit back and laugh/look for reasons not to believe.

You seem like a fairly decent person. I would encourage some deeper reading from reliable Islamic sources if you're bothered looking into it.



McGilliguts said:

Sanction means to permit or allow, so if slavery is being regulated it is implicitly sanctioned.

 

My brother likes his tea with salt, I wanted to convince him that sugar is better. so I reduced the amount of salt in his cup just by a little bit, then by a little bit more in his next cup .. and so on until he was used to drink his tea without salt. Then in his next cup I added a little bit of sugar, and a bit more in the next cup. Now my brother is drinking his tea with sugar. He would have rejected it if I have not used a gradual method to change his taste. / not a true story

Are you suggesting that I support using salt with tea ?