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Ka-pi96 said:
siddhartha87 said:
Well Sony risks getting sued for publishing incorrect numbers as it amounts to false advertising. There is no way an MNC like Sony which probably has huge legal team release numbers like that unless they were sure of its relative accuracy.

If there are discrepancies and 600k would be huge one, competitors would have latched on to it, and the numbers would have been questioned in major publications by now.

What like when someone sued them for not having enough pixels? Yeah like that would go well... it's not even possible to call it false advertising as it isn't an advertisement, unless you think people specifically stated they would only ever buy a PS4 if 10 million people had bought one before them?


I think you misread the point of my post. I am saying that Sony is quite certain that the 10 million figure is accurate and thats why they have announced it.

It is an advertisement as sony is publishing a figure with an itent to induce customers to buy their product. Litigation can go either way so sony (or no corporation) would not take such unnessecary risks unless they were sure. Therefore i am inclinied to belived that sony figures are more accurate in the present case.



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Ka-pi96 said:
OttoniBastos said:
I'm sorry but is ioi implying that Sony lied about 10 million and vgchartz numbers are more accurate?

No. He is saying he doesn't know where the difference between VGC and Sony numbers comes from and is trying to find it and can't adjust the figures until he actually knows where it came from.


Why say "if" 

The fact that has he ever came out an said "if" on released Nintendo or Microsoft number's they release?

That is the very point people are making in this very thread, he is Questioning Sony's claim on the number's .

Its very clear, is if Vgchartz cannot track it there is no way Sony can do it faster than Vgchartz.

 

I mean it seems he was Quick to add anther 100,000 to each total now. But would not take Sony's word put right.

 

Which is his right, that does not mean people are going to view his sites numbers in the same way as before now.



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ps:

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Rab said:
COX said:

sony knows how much they shipped. shipped =/= sold to consumers.

Sony was clear enough "sold through to consumers "  Are you saying that Sony are liars ?


They have been known to bend/spin the truth when it suits them 

I don't remember to see Sony lying about numbers. There's a huge difference between don't be clear about numbers like during the Ps3 gen and lying. I guess that you have a source for a such accusation. 



Rab said:
COX said:

sony knows how much they shipped. shipped =/= sold to consumers.

Sony was clear enough "sold through to consumers "  Are you saying that Sony are liars ?


They have been known to bend/spin the truth when it suits them 

AGAIN its very clear many even the owner of the site is doubting, Sony's numbers, again people can claim ,well Sony's numbers fly in the face of all 3rd party tracking services, but yet that Argument only apply to Vgchartz, because none of the other services are claiming world wide only region by region. Thus many are out right  saying Sony's numbers are in Question, but that Nintendo's or Microsoft would not get this scrutiny.

 

What this seems more about is keeping the appearance of the gap not really growing as fast between Microsoft and Sony's system in order to bolster perceptions about the sales disparities between both companies.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Rab said:
COX said:

sony knows how much they shipped. shipped =/= sold to consumers.

Sony was clear enough "sold through to consumers "  Are you saying that Sony are liars ?


They have been known to bend/spin the truth when it suits them 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2007/01/6584/

http://www.crappyreviews.com/gaming-news-and-notes/shame-on-sony-for-lying-to-consumers



I can never take you seriously when you got your citation from the EXTREMELY biased Xbox Fan  Numero Uno Crap Gamer.

Lol That dude hates Sony and loves Microsoft so much. He pisses Xbox green...



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Vgchartz is totally inaccurate and not updating this numbers is just another thing that will make this site prediction banned all over the Internet. I hope they manage to fix their numbers cause it's ridiculous that they think sony could lie about numbers when this numbers are mostly for investors.



COX said:
Rab said:
COX said:

sony knows how much they shipped. shipped =/= sold to consumers.

Sony was clear enough "sold through to consumers "  Are you saying that Sony are liars ?


They have been known to bend/spin the truth when it suits them 

I don't remeber Sony lying about numbers. There's a huge difference between don't be clear about numbers like during the Ps3 gen and lying. I guess that you have a source for a such accusation. 

 

During the PS3 era they did misslead with shipped and sold, I remember them even saying sold to customers once before, and it was later revealed to be to retailers which they then claimed to be their "customers", they are trying so hard to explain themselves because they know that they lied in the past

Well the fact they have lied may just mean they are lying now, although no one outside of Sony really knows

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2007/01/6584/

http://www.crappyreviews.com/gaming-news-and-notes/shame-on-sony-for-lying-to-consumers



overman1 said:
Rab said:
COX said:

sony knows how much they shipped. shipped =/= sold to consumers.

Sony was clear enough "sold through to consumers "  Are you saying that Sony are liars ?


They have been known to bend/spin the truth when it suits them 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2007/01/6584/

http://www.crappyreviews.com/gaming-news-and-notes/shame-on-sony-for-lying-to-consumers



I can never take you seriously when you got your citation from the EXTREMELY biased Xbox Fan  Numero Uno Crap Gamer.

Lol That dude hates Sony and loves Microsoft so much. He pisses Xbox green...


Just some examples, we all know it happened, so dont shoot the messenger 



Rab said:
COX said:
Rab said:
COX said:

sony knows how much they shipped. shipped =/= sold to consumers.

Sony was clear enough "sold through to consumers "  Are you saying that Sony are liars ?


They have been known to bend/spin the truth when it suits them 

I don't remeber Sony lying about numbers. There's a huge difference between don't be clear about numbers like during the Ps3 gen and lying. I guess that you have a source for a such accusation. 

 

During the PS3 era they did misslead with shipped and sold, I remember them even saying sold to customers once before, and it was later revealed to be to retailers which they then claimed to be their "customers", they are trying so hard to explain themselves because they know what they lied in the past

Well the fact they have ldie may just mean they are lying now, although no one outside of Sony really knows

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2007/01/6584/

http://www.crappyreviews.com/gaming-news-and-notes/shame-on-sony-for-lying-to-consumers

Dude seriously...lol

stop citing Crap Gamer, it does not help your case...



Rab said:




They have been known to bend/spin the truth when it suits them 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2007/01/6584/

http://www.crappyreviews.com/gaming-news-and-notes/shame-on-sony-for-lying-to-consumers


Thanks for the links but I don't see nothing about Sony lying about their sales. BS about graphics and resolutions a lot of compagnies like Ubisoft, Microsoft,EA have done that. However it's not the same thing that lying about official numbers if it was so easy Microsoft wouldn't be stuck when they have to talk about Xone sales.