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Aielyn said:
Wind Waker HD wasn't a remaster, it was a remake. They altered the game in a few different ways, they overhauled the graphics system, and they extensively upgraded the game. Remasters are basically the same game, in the same engine, but with higher resolution textures, etc.

People don't criticise TLOU:R for being a remaster. They criticise it for being a remaster of a game released a year ago. Wind Waker was released more than 10 years before Wind Waker HD.

And as others have said above me, nobody has criticised Sony's HD collections. There's nothing wrong with updating games that have drifted into history with a graphically-boosted re-release. Happens all the time. Heck, even if they don't boost the graphics or change the gameplay at all, it's fine - it's a re-release. On the other hand, releasing it on the PS3, and then having it announced as an improved remaster less than a year later, meaning that people are forced to rebuy it if they want the better-quality version, is a money-grab. They wanted to make people pay twice for the game.

It's not that they released a PS4 version a year later. It's that they hid the existence of the PS4 version (which must have been in development at the time that the PS3 version released) until people had bought the PS3 version in droves. THAT was the cash grab. Not the release of the PS4 version, but the hiding of the PS4 version until everyone had bought the PS3 version.


This is true. Naughty Dog confirmed that they started development on the remastered version as soon as the original was completed.



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Angelus said:
If anything is a Nintendo cash grab, it's the fact they they constantly release two different versions of all their pokemon games to force completionists to spend more money lol

Or you could just, you know, trade?



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Cobretti2 said:
A 10 year remaster vs a 1 year is different. Not only Nintendo fans think it is pointless. The game is good enough on PS3.

And if you have a PS4 but didn't have a PS3 because you didn't want to buy it for 1 game, what then?



Kyuu said:

So, I've noticed a few "self-righteous" Nintendo gamers vindictively criticizing the Last of Us Remaster's price. In response to that, I made this little thread to see if their concerns have any sincerity to them. Yes, I am referring to The Wind Waker HD. And No, I'm not making a direct comparison to TLoU:R but instead to something more comparable. The Sony HD Collections..

The Wind Waker was an absolutely gorgeous game that I wasn't fortunate enough to play for more than 60 minutes on Gamecube. So I'm totally buying the HD version when I get my Wii U one day. But.. correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't see any issues within the Nintendo community in regards to this "HD Remaster" costing about 3X more than Sony's HD Remasters! (Not to mention Square's, Konami's and Capcom's too!) That's right, "Greedy" Sony's HD Collections retailed at $40 in comparison to WWHD's $60(?) Hence each Collection had at least two games in one pack (3 in the case of Sly Cooper). So what is it exactly that warrants the ridiculously higher Nintendo pricing? is it just them openly taking advantage of the fanbase's loyalty and appreciation? or is it something else?

Why do gamers accept Nintendo's tradition of rehashing games at almost full price? Personally, I'm mostly indifferent since they don't force their games down my throat and the high price may translate to weaker sales. But shouldn't I remain consistent and treat Sony the same way in case they made a similarly "Evil" move?

 

Sorry, but as much as I'm not a fan of WWHD, they did, in point of fact, add/improve quite a bit in the game, and gave it a graphics overhaul as well. You're talking about HD remasters by Sony that literally really only feature higher resolution and MAYBE improved framerate (certainly not for all of them). The Ico/SotC HD release didn't feature added/changed content or redone graphics. Neither, honestly, does TLOU.

WWHD, in point of fact, is a remake. Not just a "remaster". That is the key difference. Thus it cost more to make, and thus they charge more for it.



bubblegamer said:
Cobretti2 said:
A 10 year remaster vs a 1 year is different. Not only Nintendo fans think it is pointless. The game is good enough on PS3.

And if you have a PS4 but didn't have a PS3 because you didn't want to buy it for 1 game, what then?

You can say that for every other game as well. Does that mean they should start remastering every PS3 game that exists?
I dont think so.



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I dont know if you saw the ebay/resale market of Windwaker before the remake but for a disk only copy you would pay near $35. Even now complete Gamecube copies go for $30.

also they arent actively releasing DLC for WW, which is feel is ND's biggest crime here.



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RealGamingExpert said:
bubblegamer said:
Cobretti2 said:
A 10 year remaster vs a 1 year is different. Not only Nintendo fans think it is pointless. The game is good enough on PS3.

And if you have a PS4 but didn't have a PS3 because you didn't want to buy it for 1 game, what then?

You can say that for every other game as well. Does that mean they should start remastering every PS3 game that exists?
I dont think so.

No, just ones that will sell. And you can't say that for every game, certainly not when your newest console has failed to attract a new crowd. It's quite different though when it succeeds in doing so, like all those new PS4 owners.



The saltiness behind TLoU:R (according to me), is that it blows the meaning of exclusive.
And the reason WWHD is fine, is because 1 full generation of gaming ocurred before it got re-released. So a generation of new gamers also spawned. Meaning that people that didn't get it (because of age, or didn't own the game, or the console) can now get it.
Instead of just 1 year later, when it made it pointless to get a PS3 since the correct version is coming out for the PS4.



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bubblegamer said:

No, just ones that will sell. And you can't say that for every game, certainly not when your newest console has failed to attract a new crowd. It's quite different though when it succeeds in doing so, like all those new PS4 owners.

Well thats true, but i think that 1 year after the release of the original game is just too soon.

Its a nice way for people that didnt own a PS3, but on the other side it delays the development of new games.

I don't know how long it took them to make this remaster, but it certainly was quite a bit of time that could have been used for ohter games.

At the end of the day its all about money anyway, so why not go the easy way!



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One, Wind Waker is €$50, two, it's an eleven year old game remade from two generations ago with a significant improvement, instead of a game which was under a year old when the technology hasn't improved nearly enough to make any sort of real difference. Those HD Collections provided even less than TLoU did, the latter at the very least had some things ironed out.

Besides, I only had a problem with how TLoUR was received by critics as if it was the greatest thing we've even seen. Something Wind Waker's reception, or those collections, are not guilty of. Laughable, embarrassing showing really. I am going to have the same problem with GTA5, I know that already.