I'm really not interested in your silly games. As much as certain people here clearly like to ignore history all together and shout "But the Future!!!!!" it shows WiiU is not a hot product and despite various fixes nothing has worked at any point in the year. XB1 has shown it can do well in the holidays, well during big game launchs and deals (Titanfall). Right now numbers are medicore (200k in June US isn't great) but it's nowhere near WiiU levels. If XB1 fails this holiday then it'll be determined, no if buts or maybes. MS succedded in its first holiday and we've yet to see how its second is to pan out, WiiU has not done great in either of the first two holidays and Nintendo don't expect its third to be any better either.

My point? XB1 has not been doing great for a few months but has shown it can do great numbers. WiiU has been doing bad for a lot longer (almost all its life) and it hasn't shown it can do well. That is why there is scope for XB1 to grow and succeed and why nothing should be counted out yet.

Also, if you need more evidence WiiU is overtracked here, if WiiU continues its new baseline of 60k up until end of September, that means it has to ship at minimum, 1 million units this next Q. Yup that's right, double what it did during Mk Q with all those bundles.

6.8m as of 26th July + 9.5 weeks more at 60k a week = 7.37m + 300k on shelves (should be much more than that if it's doing 60k a week, more like 600k on shelves at that rate. = 7.67m - 7.97m. That's 0.99m - 1.29m shipped. Up from the 300k year prior.

Not a game, I just wanted to know if there was a chance you dint think that the x1 was made by gods to save us from the mediocrety of the world. Like I said before, theres a good chance the wii u can fail, And I can point to its flaws and have resonable debates. I can see its not the case for you. 

The one that keeps ignoring historyseems to be you, the 360 had some advantages like better online, cheaper price, a year head start and better multyplats wich is why it sold as much as it did  vs the ps3. They where both almost aimed at the same crowd so people had a choice, but now they have lost every single advantage so now the ps4 will canibalize sales as it has shown since launch. Something that will not affect the wi u. Althou it still needs to  be $200 or remove the gamepad.

I know its useless since anything I say you will take as opinion and I should take anything you say as facts. Just in case, my argument was for you to admit that the wii u had a chance, nothing major. But its imposible for fans of your caliber. I guess its like you said, we will have to wait till after the hollidays.

I've talked enough shit about XB1 over the past year to not have to entertain the idea that you're somehow less biased than me. Benefit of the doubt is with me as is history, neither are on the side of WiiU, thus there is little room to debate WiiU winning, the fact is, I havn't seen it sell well yet and I don't see Smash alone changing that. XB1? I have seen sell well, and I've seen MS be 10 times more proactive than Nintendo in fixing issues.

Just curious but what exactly gives you this expectation?

Just a hunch. 

i think we can all agree that nintendo has to release this at all costs this holiday

I think the majority have spoken and say wii u will be ahead

I'm expecting Halo MMC to slip to 2015 too. 

My reasoning: Super Smash Bros is 2 games (3ds and Wii U) while MMC is 4 games.  

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I see what you did there