| theprof00 said: Wow get off my ass hylian. im on my phone and I cant select where I want to input the cursor so sometimes I write a post and something is auto corrected but I dont want to delete the whole thing because I only have a couple moments before managers troll around. |
Lol, sorry, my bad, I forgot you were at work XD
| padib said: Thanks Nickles, I think this is great detective work. I'm going to help you boost your confidence by explaining some of your questions. A confident town is a winning town, so believe in yourself and be okay with making mistakes. Town doesn't know who is mafia so we're bound to make some mistakes. We'll stay strong with those mistakes. Smeags on day 1 no lynch When Smeags posted about the no lynch approach, his 1st paragraph was about a game he had played in the past which supported prof and outlaw's advice. He uses that previous game as an example to show how deferring a lynch to day 2 is harmful to town. His second paragraph supports his idea that a day 1 no lynch simply leads to one less townie (killed night 1) on day 2. So he's consistent here, let me know if this is still unclear. That said, I very much agree with your thoughts that there is a big difference between a helpful day 1 lynch and a day 1 "lynch anyone". The second option is worse than a no lynch and on that you are RIGHT! However, between a normal, careful day 1 lynch and no lynch, the 1st option is much better. I get it now ty for clearing that up. I'd much rather have a careful lynch but I don't like the idea of bandwagoning and anyone that wants to rush the vote just to get day 1 over with and vote for who ever just seems really excited to kill to me. prof play Multi-threading I understand you had an issue with prof multi-threading his accusation (first sparks, then whiteeagle). Keep in mind that's not scummy play, it's really prof's style of play. One thing we know about him is that he likes to keep personal notes on all players, and so that leads him to ask many players challenging questions so he can create profiles for most players in the game. No math Prof also has a tendency to mention he has backing for something but not providing that backing. It's again just his way of playing (meta-game). He gets ambitious with an idea, might draw up some graphs, might lose them and forget he lost them, might want to find it but then might want to find a hundred different things, and you end up with some grand theory that he may or may not have supported with numbers and you just need to take him as he is Your case on prof I'm glad that you took some time to look at your case on prof. Sometimes when a player breathes down our back, we see any and everything they do as scummy. I think you're doing well considering that and I'm glad you took a moment to look more clearly at your original case. I still think you were right about him causing users (especially hylian) to clam up though, so you weren't all wrong! RCT prof buddies up with RCT I like the links you brought up here. I have a question for you. Do you think that prof as mafia would want to obviously buddy up with a mafia partner in the game thread? Usually, the accusation towards a more advanced mafia is distancing. Do you think that prof, knowing we may accuse him of distancing, would buddy up with his mafia ally (e.g. WIFOM) by reverse psychology? I don't discount the possibility of it. I wouldn't say it was exactly obvious, it seemed like the distancing was more obvious since he intentionally antagonized him and was quickly voted for. So he might have buddied up as a ploy to make that distancing less obvious.I'm not expert on the whole WiFOM thing so I don't know. I just find it strange he got friendly, didn't defend himself when in all other cases he was quick to and assumed that RCT would unvote him unprovoked and as far as I can tell without so much as an apology. I do know if I was RCT and someone called me a noob when I wasn't I would likely keep them voted until 11:50 of the last day of the day just on principle alone, but then I can sometimes be prideful. prof lashes out on hylian and you Do you think that prof lashed out on you and hylian because you voted for him? Do you think it might be possible that prof instead lashes out on users that aggravate how he sees things (regardless of whether he is right or wrong)? Would that apply to how he lashes out on Khan even though Khan unvoted him? I can see that for being the reason he lashed out as he did but I think being voted for at least contributed to it. I think there might have been instances where he didn't lash out but did still defend himself. I still don't see why he didn't defend himself with RCT. RCT slows prof from making damage This is a very interesting observation. Do you think that a concerned townie would try to stop prof in his tracks? If that's true, then why are we all sharing our reads? I think you might be on to something. There is no reason why a concerned townie would want another townie to withhold their reads. I think getting everyones POV and opinion is important. It's been very important for me so far and has lead to me unvoting theprof. So again I find that highly suspicious. Even if he's not working with theprof he might of feared theprof's analyses on him and other mafia so he wanted to dissuade him from doing so. RCT's inactivity You mention that not all inactivity is the same, I agree with you. In this case though, RCT is neither a mod, nor do his posts contain much consistency on a ratio count with his total posts. Coupled with his suspicious behavior, what do you think of an RCT vote? |
At this point I wouldn't be against it and he is definitly my strongest suspect so far. Very little activity, and impression of blood lust, not taking the vote seriously and bandwagoning. Definitly my top suspect but I also would like to see more input from others before I vote for sure because I don't want to overlook or miss anything.
http://www.youtube.com/v/AoOOpLpcF28 http://www.youtube.com/v/CphFZGH5030
All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)
HylianSwordsman said:
And sorry! I didn't notice! It stands for Roller Coaster Tycoon, right? I love that game! I'll try to watch that I don't make that typo again. |
Oh, really? Maybe we should work to make a tie so no one dies the first day.
And yes! Recently got it again on Steam, but all my files got deleted, so I have to start over again... :(
| padib said: RCT prof buddies up with RCT I like the links you brought up here. I have a question for you. Do you think that prof as mafia would want to obviously buddy up with a mafia partner in the game thread? Usually, the accusation towards a more advanced mafia is distancing. Do you think that prof, knowing we may accuse him of distancing, would buddy up with his mafia ally (e.g. WIFOM) by reverse psychology? RCT slows prof from making damage This is a very interesting observation. Do you think that a concerned townie would try to stop prof in his tracks? If that's true, then why are we all sharing our reads? I think you might be on to something. There is no reason why a concerned townie would want another townie to withhold their reads. RCT's inactivity You mention that not all inactivity is the same, I agree with you. In this case though, RCT is neither a mod, nor do his posts contain much consistency on a ratio count with his total posts. Coupled with his suspicious behavior, what do you think of an RCT vote? |
This is all very useful. Do you think you could help me out? While my initial beliefs about prof were probably more emotionally based, I do believe there is genuine reason to suspect him. My reasoning is that his activity seems coordinated, but not too coordinated. Like they're acting together, but also trying to distance, but not make their distancing too obvious. Specifically, I've already called out Sparks individually on this, as well as prof, and neither have responded, instead dodging my question over and over again. Prof made a quick comment that he thinks Sparks is buddying up to him. Why would he make a statement like that? It seems like distancing, as it would be unnecessary for a town person to call that out. But at the same time, it was a sly distancing. Prof is very thorough, so it seems odd to me that after a quick comment about a suspicion he just drops it. Sparks definitely seems like he's buddying up to prof though, so if anything, Sparks might be more suspicious, trying to hide behind prof.
RCT seems like a maybe for being with prof, as Nickles and you have pointed out. Their interactions play out like a mix of half-hearted distancing, but not. You start with RCT voting prof for no reason, then with very little pressure from prof, RCT changes to what prof is voting for, while also saying they're "not on good terms", and yet he later plays the part of a concerned townie. There's a mix of distancing and buddying, and the distancing seems...calculated.
I'd also like to point out that my beliefs are based on two assumptions. The first is that mafia have day talk. You said yourself that this is common, and at the very least we can't rule it out. If there was no daytalk, would mafia even know who was on their team at this point? If not, then coordinated play only makes sense if there's daytalk.
The second assumption is something I'd really like to get a veteran player's opinion on, and it's that there are two mafia factions. To quote the sign-up thread:
Goals
If there were a chance of there not being mafia, it would say "any other factions of Mafia are dead." I doubt it's just a generic set of rules that gets copy-pasted every time, because if it was, the language would be written to accomodate any game, not specific rules that could change.
The importance of this second assumption is that one thing people have said in defense of prof is that he's trying too hard to find mafia, and only a town would try that hard, but if there are multiple teams of mafia, then helping town find members of the other faction would be useful, no? Prof and his team accomplish two things here. First, they make themselves look like town, second, they get work done on defeating the other faction. Now I realize some will argue that there might not be two factions, but the language is exact. It suggests precisely two factions. Even if it somehow doesn't mean there's another faction, we can't rule out the possibility that there are two. This doesn't have much consequence for us as town, but it does somewhat. The first thing to consider is that mafia may be making genuine contributions that are actually intended to help the town. The second thing to consider is how big these factions are. How many mafia players are there usually? I honestly don't know. Can't be that many though, or the town would stand no chance. Perhaps 6 altogether? Two teams of three, while the town gets 9? This seems fair, as the sign-up thread also said "Every player will therefore have a special role; no one will be a vanilla Townie." So as long as the town has enough sufficiently powerful roles, a 1.5:1 ratio for town to mafia seems fair, no? Especially since the mafia are split in two, so it's actually 3:1:1.
So could prof, Sparks, and RCT be one of the teams? At this point, my vote is on prof, but I could be convinced to go for one of the people I suspect is on his team. I know I'm being accused of tunnel vision here, but I feel like I have a good case for prof, and I don't feel like I have anything substantial for anyone else, aside from RTC, who as has been pointed out has little excuse for his inactivity, so his seeming coordinated with prof is just icing on the cake, and also Sparks, who is either with prof or hiding behind prof.
| RCTjunkie said: Oh, really? Maybe we should work to make a tie so no one dies the first day. And yes! Recently got it again on Steam, but all my files got deleted, so I have to start over again... :( |
It's risky. Working to make a tie would make it too easy for a random mafia to change their vote at the last second to choose who to kill. Especially if there's a mafia member that hasn't voted yet. Just picture it: a tie between two people, a mafia member who hasn't voted yet votes in the last few minutes, and thus gets to pick who dies, and since he hasn't voted yet it wouldn't seem suspicious, as he could just be finally deciding who to vote for based on two people that others have already suspected.
| RCTjunkie said: And yes! Recently got it again on Steam, but all my files got deleted, so I have to start over again... :( |
>.< Ouch! That's really depressing...I've had that happen to me, I lost all will to play for a while.
HylianSwordsman said:
|
Fair enough... I won't change my vote at this point, then.
It's nice to know that when I'm not active, I'm deemed suspicious, then when I try to participate, I'm also suspicious. What do you want from me, fellow townspeople?!?!?
| Sparks said: What's a scum-flavored post? |
I tried to find a picture of a scum-flavored post, I could not. Here's a scum-flavored wall:
Perhaps a scum-flavored post is a post on a scum-flavored wall?
| RCTjunkie said: It's nice to know that when I'm not active, I'm deemed suspicious, then when I try to participate, I'm also suspicious. What do you want from me, fellow townspeople?!?!? |
Well a couple of posts doesn't automatically make you active. You're still one of the least active people thus far. It's the last 10 hours, so suddenly becoming active wouldn't change people's suspicion about your initial inactivity, but it would help. Also, when you have participated, your content was very suspicious. So, yeah, that's what we want. For you to participate consistantly and when you do, not look suspicious. Having only occassional, suspicious posts is worse than actually staying silent.
About Us |
Terms of Use |
Privacy Policy |
Advertise |
Staff |
Contact
Display As Desktop
Display As Mobile
© 2006-2024 VGChartz Ltd. All rights reserved.
WHO IS JESUS REALLY?
