Nothing terribly useful. Like I said to prof, it's just some stuff I was wondering about, nothing worth 'waiting' for. See post.

Though, I realized something during my search, but I'm not quite ready to share that other one just yet.

Alright, I see what you were saying about Cone now, prof. Having both a doctor and a bodyguard on the same team would still leave the possibility of a broken game, however, unless literally every mafia had an ability that could neutralize the combo in some way. Which might be a possibility, actually. Either way, my suspicions on Cone have dropped enough that I think there are better targets now.

I really don't get what Wright is doing, but it does seem like he's claiming he has some sort of evidence to help town. Still seems really dodgy, but perhaps he just doesn't want to make himself a mafia target. Since he's claiming evidence, if he's town he must be an investigative role, I would think. He was really obsessed with Cone yesterday with very little evidence, perhaps he has a daytime investigative role? Probably not, since the only useful daytime investigative role would be rolecop, and doctor certainly isn't a suspicious role. So I still think his obsessive suspicion of Cone before there was any evidence is just really weird at best. But his posts did seem like he was trying to roleplay, so maybe there's a flavor explanation that will come apparent as time goes on. There's a lot of maybes here, so I'm not placing Wright as either town or mafia yet.

As for Sparks, his talk about vests is really confusing. So far I've got that yesterday RCT pretty much explicitly said he had a vest. Sparks said he was trying to entertain the idea of a second mafia faction. The simplest explanation for how there could be two mafia factions but only one kill is that the other kill was blocked. The simplest explanation for a block was the known doctor role. He went for bulletproof vest. Just weird. I'm still really confused, and I don't feel like rereading Day 2 yet. The longer I put it off though, the more work it'll be. Ugh.

Luckily I recently discovered how much easier 50ppp is! Noob confession here, I was at 10. I didn't know you could change it. Catching up with or rereading the thread will now be like 90% less painful.

EBWOP: and not only did he go for a bulletproof vest explanation, he went for "another" bulletproof vest, instead of the already known one. I think I'm getting this now.

No, let me run you through the events again.
I came in saying not to dismiss the idea of another faction just yet.
Me not considering a doc proves nothing.
I never said that I believed his claim, you just thought that. I only thought it was a really interesting twist. I always had my suspicions about him.
I said no such thing. I was saying how it didn't make sense for someone to target RCT, and that it may have been someone else maybe with a vest. Maybe maybe mabe.
I think it's an option because it was a simple explanation, it made sense at the time, and I hadn't thought of it before you mentioend it.

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@sparks
So lets lynch rct then?

Although I would rather get Trucks or Khan, RCT would be fine by me.

@hylian
or a swing ability.
sometimes mafia will have an ability that anyone can use like a one shot unlockable kill.
however, thats still not that good a solution as if its used too early...
bg and doc is a tough combo

Never heard of that either. There's a lot to this game...

Regardless, it sounds like it isn't a foolproof answer to bg/doc. I think if this game does contain a bg/doc combo, we don't have to worry about it breaking the game since the bg is gone. The question I'm getting at here however is, do you think a good mod would leave ANY possibility whatsoever of a game break? Because it sounds like there's no 100% guaranteed way to ensure a doc/bg combo doesn't break the game aside from every mafia having an ability to stop the combo. Which again, is a possibility.

Check out what I found on the wiki:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_madness

This is almost certainly a role madness game, as the sign-up thread implies. Note the wiki says "no true vanilla townies". You claim vanilla, and perhaps you sort of are in that you have no powers, which is why you're claiming to be vanilla, but there's something to you, a passive ability perhaps, that makes you sort of not vanilla, enough that the sign-up's claim of no vanilla is accurate. Note the article says that balancing such a game is difficult but mostly involves checking for broken combinations, and making sure neither side can become overly powerful. It also says that sometimes there's a single vanilla townie, so maybe you're that townie?

@hylian
the reason why the doc vest thing looks so suspicious to me is that it implies he KNEW the doc had nothing to do with the equation. Whether this is because of mafia doc or redirection or doc was blocked...whatever. it implies doc wasn't the answer when it totally was.