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Forums - Gaming - Sony was right, EA access is a rip-off and needs to flop

Not getting deep into this mess. Personally I don't have any interest in EA Access, and I doubt I will unless they include some of their good (read: Bioware) single player games on the service.

But I will note two things that seem to have been overlooked:

1. If EA makes a habit of removing Vault titles with any regularity they will immediately destroy their own services - its important to examine what is realistic, not just what they can theoretically do (seriously, read a bunch of ToS for the console's you own, the rights they claim for themselves are insane).

2. Under the ToS EA has to provide notice of at least 30 days before removing a Vault title.

Ultimately though I agree with one point, titles should be accessible for as long as a subscription is paid IMO.



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Puppyroach said:

Exactly like PS Now, PS+ and XBLG, you don´t own the games, but for 60$ (the equivalent of a new EA game?) i get two years of EA Access with alot of games to play through and this is what you find horrible, and is is a much "better" deal for PS fans to buy those games from Sony instead? As I said, Sony PR has worked wonders, kudos to them.

I actually don´t bash Sony in this, just the way people blindly defend their strategies as consumer-focused when they are in relaity business-focused.

It's nothing like PS+ and XBL. And i'm not going to repeat why because it's in the OP that you should have read.



Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

How much does streaming Netflix cost? Who cares? Some people spend many, many hours streaming Netflix every month and pay a measly $9. And that includes content!

With OnLive, when you purchase a game you own it digitally on Steam and can stream your library of games for $8 a month.

Sony is probably more concerned about covering the cost of Gaikai than the price of streaming games.


This was already debunked on the PSNow thread... Kowen was pushing the same point, but when presented that the $8/month put OnLive on incredible debt even when having games with terrible lag and quality issues for a small public.

Their financial problems began before well before their $8 a month strategy. That's something they started doing in recent months. I've completed numerous games on the service and it generally worked fine.

The biggest reason for OnLive's failure is weak support. That's a death sentence for any platform.


Ok fair enough. But seeing that $8/month is basically 60% more than PS+ but on PSNow that could give you access to north of 1k titles in the future, and each publisher wanting a slice I find hard to believe it would cost less than 20 month... If $3/month is good value on 4/5 games on EA, imagine how much it would be with 20-30 publishers and thousand of games.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

TL;DR

But if the OP is saying EA access isn't all unicorns and rainbows. I completely agree.

In theory i like what EA access represents. What i don't get is why does it have to be yet another service. Why don't they just find a way to integrate it into PS+/XBL without making the user pay extra? What hapens if every other publisher starts doing this?



VanceIX said:
IkePoR said:

Allow me to rephrase what I said.

F2P elements in paid games (PvZ: Garden Warfare) is bullshit.  You're right, F2P in general is not bs.  

I don't mean the options word in the case of PSNow is spun but in general when the word options is used(again, in PvZ: GW) is when we have to take a closer look.

Ah gotcha, in that case I agree that the word "options" can be a dual edged sword.

Raziel123 said:
VanceIX said:

Having options is ALWAYS a good thing for the consumer, so this PR of them looking out for the consumer is bullsh*t. What they mean is that it would risk their monopoly on PS+. 


I don't care if they did it because they were looking out for the consumer or not, because the end result is that they were looking out for us, regardless of motive. PS+ is better if Ea access doesn't exist on PS. Therefore there is no choice involved. "options" are good for consumers when there are no negative consequences to those that do not adhere. EA access has negative consequences for those that do not sub to access but are subbed to PS+.

It's that simple. No option, just EA+MS rip off.

If you honestly believe that not giving the consumer options to choose what they like is is good, you've bought far too much into the PR from Sony. 

There are TONS, and I mean TONS of gamers out there that would easily purchase the EA Access for the 10% off games and vault. It's not even a competitior to PS+, since most of the games depend on online play anyway, and thus would need a PS+ subscription. A lot of people (like you) won't buy it, but does that give you the right to cut off access to consumers like me, who love digital games and discount packages?

No, this is just terribad PR from Sony, the likes not seen since Microsoft screwed up at the beginning of the generation. I'm honestly ashamed of Sony as a Playstation fan, pulling this kind of shit on your customers is just disgusting. 

How about letting the consumers decide what's a good value and what's not through their wallets?


To me Sony was just making a butthurt comment. So they wouldn't have to say MS outspend them in starting the program.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:


To me Sony was just making a butthurt comment. So they wouldn't have to say MS outspend them in starting the program.

I really hope so, because if they really did reject a proposal for the service, that would just be low. 

Even then, trying to say that they know what gamers want the best is such terrible PR. They just have to go out and say that the service is not available and won't be available on the PS4 for the time being, and be done with it, not spout off nonsense like they know exactly what each gamer wants. 



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VanceIX said:

If you honestly believe that not giving the consumer options to choose what they like is is good, you've bought far too much into the PR from Sony. 

 


What PR? I don't need Sony to tell me anything, once Access was announced and I looked into it i knew how bad it was. I didn't post this earlier because I was banned.

Needless to say, when Sony said what they said, i clapped. Couldn't be happier. Now i just hope they stick with their stance instead of doing a 180.



VanceIX said:
DonFerrari said:


To me Sony was just making a butthurt comment. So they wouldn't have to say MS outspend them in starting the program.

I really hope so, because if they really did reject a proposal for the service, that would just be low. 

Even then, trying to say that they know what gamers want the best is such terrible PR. They just have to go out and say that the service is not available and won't be available on the PS4 for the time being, and be done with it, not spout off nonsense like they know exactly what each gamer wants. 


Well they were being ridiculous, as when MS were doing bad PR about "we know what customers want", and then put all the anti-consumer things that would then be destroyed to keep them alive.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Raziel123 said:
VanceIX said:

If you honestly believe that not giving the consumer options to choose what they like is is good, you've bought far too much into the PR from Sony. 

 


What PR? I don't need Sony to tell me anything, once Access was announced and I looked into it i knew how bad it was. I didn't post this earlier because I was banned.

Needless to say, when Sony said what they said, i clapped. Couldn't be happier. Now i just hope they stick with their stance instead of doing a 180.

Oh really? And pray tell me, what's wrong with an OPTIONAL service that gives gamers discounts and access to a vast amount of games? If you don't like it, fine. But what you're saying is that NO other gamer should be able to decide if it is a good value for themselves, just because you don't feel it is.

What right do you have to decide for other gamers what's a good value and what's not? Can you answer that? No, because you don't represent every gamer, not even close. 

This is like someone wanting Netflix removed from game consoles just because they don't use it, and they feel it might compete with Sony's video store. Both Netflix and EA Access are completely optional services. Heck, EA access is cheaper than Netflix and doesn't even compete directly with any of Sony's services, the way Netflix does.

Your argument is flawed to the core, simply because you assume that everyone perceives value the same as you do, which they don't. That's why we have options in the real world. 



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VanceIX said:
Raziel123 said:
VanceIX said:

If you honestly believe that not giving the consumer options to choose what they like is is good, you've bought far too much into the PR from Sony. 

 


What PR? I don't need Sony to tell me anything, once Access was announced and I looked into it i knew how bad it was. I didn't post this earlier because I was banned.

Needless to say, when Sony said what they said, i clapped. Couldn't be happier. Now i just hope they stick with their stance instead of doing a 180.

Oh really? And pray tell me, what's wrong with an OPTIONAL service that gives gamers discounts and access to a vast amount of games? If you don't like it, fine. But what you're saying is that NO other gamer should be able to decide if it is a good value for themselves, just because you don't feel it is.

What right do you have to decide for other gamers what's a good value and what's not? Can you answer that? No, because you don't represent every gamer, not even close. 

This is like someone wanting Netflix removed from game consoles just because they don't use it, and they feel it might compete with Sony's video store. Both Netflix and EA Access are completely optional services. Heck, EA access is cheaper than Netflix and doesn't even compete directly with any of Sony's services, the way Netflix does.

Your argument is flawed to the core, simply because you assume that everyone perceives value the same as you do, which they don't. That's why we have options in the real world. 

I don't see value in EA access because I don't play their games... but I'm pretty darned certain that a lot of people will... I even said in a different thread that it would be good to have a "cable plan" for PS4 where you can choose what publishers you want to have access.

EDIT: Vancell look at the thread I created for this http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=187837&page=1# and give your opinion.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."