Woo hoo....just did another project with 70 lines of code....Does anyone know where I can get Microsoft Visual Studios for free???? I'm using Dev C++ right now, and I think MVS might be better...

I hate c and c++.

My favorite is C# or Java.

C++ does indeed add much of the necessary OOP functionality to C such as polymorphism and multiple inheritence however it is in no way a requirement. The transition from C to C++ is much akin to PHP 4 to PHP 5 (for a more modern comparison); it adds functionality and makes many more tools available to the developer without requiring them.

If you want to see languages really designed with OOP from the ground up, look to Ruby or Smalltalk.

I'm with you on that.  That's why I think starting with C++ is the best way to go (obviously get all the basics of procedural programming down before introducing classes and inheritance and all that jazz).  If you begin with a lower level language like C, you will learn to "speak computer", and once you can do that, you can learn any language you want for whatever purpose you want.

Pray tell, what do you hate about them?

I've been teaching myself C# recently, since all the jobs around here are for Java and .NET developers and I'm not ready to move.  I like C# a lot, but C++ is still a more powerful language for performance-critical applications.

I haven't tried java yet, but most people tell me C++ is better in most aspects... I'm gonna go make me a tictactoe game =-) (if I can) =-)

 Illegally.  I wouldn't recommend it though.  It is a nice tool, but it is  *VERY* hand-hold-y.  I would stick with Dev-C++ just because honestly, the fewer features you have right away, the better your learning will be. At least, in my opinion it was.  The problem with advanced IDEs like that is that they make coding for work or whatever very efficient and easy - however, if you are learning, the things they abstract away are the things that help you learn what is going on underneath the program. 

If you don't have to manage memory, for example, you won't know when to use the stack and when to use the heap (basically, whether to use an Object* or an Object).  If you don't have to deal with c-style strings, you won't know why there is a possible security problem when using memcopy, etc.

So, while you should feel free to use Visual Studio (although its expensive), keep in mind that if you just want to learn there are better tools out there. 

It is hard to say how hard it will be for you. In comparison to other languages I know, it was one of the less complicated. Visual BASIC on thee other hand...

^ Thanks....OK by next year or so, I should have a hang of things and be able to do tougher tasks.....I WANNA MAKA AME SOME GAMEZ!!!111one111!!!

 look, we're responding to your "To be good at C++, you need to should know about OOP - Object Oriented Programming".

of course we know C++ is not designed from ground up--it's still based on C, and the fact that you could in fact NOT know OOP and still code in C++ is testament to that.

 however, if you tell somebody you know C++ and you don't know the OOP aspects of C++, i'd call you a C programmer, not C++.