antfromtashkent said: mesoteto said: ^you could do it on the wii-point and shoot yes you could... but do u think if would work as well as analog controls?

Well if it's done right (similar controls to MoH:H2) then yes it would work. And I feel it works a lot better than analog controls, and though I've never played a FPS on PC, those who have say that PC controls are only slightly better than the Wii-pointer controls.

^agreed

antfromtashkent said: mesoteto said: ^you could do it on the wii-point and shoot yes you could... but do u think if would work as well as analog controls?

 Yes, I believe that if the Wii is taken seriously when making an FPS, like the MoH Airborne 2 game that just came out recently, that the Wii controls are not only as good as analog controls, but better. Listen, I know that all the people who love...absolutely love the FPS games, have played hours upon hours with those games on the xbox systems and the PS systems would tell me that that is just blasphemous.  But listen to me: just because YOU are used to it, it doesn't mean its the best for everyone.

 I have played the FPS games since Goldeneye in the N64....and admittingly I hated it. I love playing the game, but it just frustrates me many times. And when my bro got Metroid Prime for the Gamecube, I was like "...Holy crap....I can't do this!! I can't play that game!" because it was too complicated for me to get used to it. And playing the Halo games until recently with my cousins on the 360 with Halo 3, I just didn't like it at all. First you use one joystiq to move around. Then you got to line up your reticule with a second joystiq. Then you got to press the trigger. Then while doing ALLLL of that, you have to avoid getting shot. Then you got to realize when to reload, then you have to remember which is the trigger for the gun and which is for the grenades and blah blah blah. The system always confused me and it has never been friendly enough for me to approach it. Until I got Metroid Prime 3. That changed my whole perspective on FPS. Yes, Metroid isn't a true FPS, but the thing that scared me away from the FPS genre, the controls, isn't there anymore. It's more intuitive. It's like the carnival games where you use a rifle to shoot the targets and get a prize. And yes, even if it is more complicated than that since you have to move around and strafe and stuff, I was able to ease into it easier. Much moreso than with games like Halo, Goldeneye, Resident Evil (before RE4 for the Wii), or even the first Metroid Prime.

 So just to conclude, even if you and a million more players like you love the dual analog sticks for FPS controls remember that there are millions of more people like me who can't stand it and would wish it would be simpler to control.

...from my cold dead hands.

I personally love the 360 controller, but I think Harrison and Molyneux are right on the money.

antfromtashkent said: Stever89 said: ^ It's not like you can't have a complex game with simple controls.  ofcourse u can... but then games like CoD wouldnt exist (on consoles) since u cant simplify those controls

CoD would be 10x better on wiimote-type control than a sixaxis/360/gc controller

 

 

 

technically i was talking bout the old SNES controls (because thats what the original subject was) i dint actually say that Wii's contlols couldnt handle CoD

lol i sorry this is tottaly not a troll or anything but ive noticed that Wii supporters seem to jump up and defend the Wii when its not even being bashed...... i played MP on the wii and i dint like the controls for it.... thats my oppinion... i would pick analog controls over point and shoot any day....

^thats fine its what your used to--i was mouse and keyboard, and this gets me close to that --also i agree that COD proably couldnt be done well on a SNES Controler

antfromtashkent said: bdbdbd said: antfromtashkent said: koopatrooper said: i guess xbox and playstation will have a wii mote kind of controller next gen  i really hope not... i like this quote from NYANKS   "Let the casuals adapt, not the other way around"   But the casuals are adapting. They are used to use a dual-analog controller, microphone, dancemat, guitar controller etc. Also a number of non-gamers are adapting to Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play, Rockband, etc. Basically in similar fashion that number of non-gamers adapted to karaoke-games, music-games, dancing-games, etc. people are adapting to new and fun ways to play games. If Singstar, Buzz, DDR, Guitar Hero and the likes success didn't alarm you last gen, it's pretty late to think any other way industry is heading. This is the thing that have happened everytime something new has taken over the market and became standard. When N64 featured the thumbstick and it became standard, people who didn't like it, stopped gaming. Or when SNES came with its more complex controller that NES had, number of people stopped gaming. It's the same thing now, controls like the Wii has becomes standard and the people who don't like it, stop gaming. And besides, Wiis controls aren't that much different from traditional, it's just that it's designed to work in more varied ways than pad which is held by 2 hands. Wii Remote+Nunchuck gives a lot more options. After all, you have 6 buttons that are easy to access, one D-pad, one pointer (which can measure your distance from TV and changes in it), one analog stick and 2 separate accelerometers. When you think of it, Wiis controls seem to be a lot more "hardcore" option than a pad.  i know they are addapting but i dont think that the game controls shold be simplified for ppl who are not gamers just so that they would buy a console.... thats not right to the hardcore gamers who want more complex games..... Edit: also i think that the Wii's controls seem more hardcore than they are because its something new not only for the casuals but also hardcore games. so i believe its mostly the learning curve.

I see you didn't get my point. Look, the hardcore PC-gamers are saying how superior kb+mouse is, over pad, because of it's functionality. Now at the same time playing who like pad, are saying the pad is superior because of it's ease of use. Now, Wii Remote+Nunchuck is easier to use than a dual-analog pad and it has more functionalities than a pad has and everything that can be done with a pad, can be done with Wii Remote+Nunchuck and it's still more natural to use. Of course, i'm not saying that there shouldn't be games that require experience or games that can be played with a pad. But just that Wiis controls can offer more functionalities, options and complexity than a pad, and by looking what "hardcore" wants, Remote+Nunchuck seems to be more natural option for that type of games. It only depends on how devs decide to use them.

bdbdbd said: T013 said: Although of course I support the Wiimote, it's BS that other controllers are too complicated. Of course you've gotta get used to them a little bit, but they make playing games a lot easier. I don't want to insult anybody, but these people seem somewhat simple-minded, thinking that everything should come in such a way you can immediately understand it.   What makes you think so? The thing that people are looking from their gadgets is ease to use. You propably have a mobile phone? Which phone would you choose, a phone from the 80:s, which was the size of 360, battery lasted hour or two and the phone weigted several kilograms, or a todays phone which fits your palm (and any pocket for that matter), weighs hundred grams and battery lasts hours of talking? Of course you need to get a little used to the mobile from 80:s, but it makes talking a lot easier. It's a little simple-minded to think that everything should come in such a way that they would be practical to use. I mean, just look at what happened to mobile phones market after the phones became more practical.

 I don't think I understand you completely... are you saying that the 80's phone is easier to use, and you'd pick that one when given the choice? I'm sure that's not what you meant, but I can't figure out exactly what it is then.

Also, on the bolded parts, we're saying the exact same thing, right? So what's the deal?