sega net was pay to use because you were paying for the actual dialup...

$19 for a months unlimited use dialup was actually pretty cheap too. 

i dont think anyone would complain if psplus or xblg included the use of internet without needing an existing internet service. 

ZOMG you are SOOO right!
I'm going to pay my respects to Microsoft right now.


THANK YOU MICROSOFT FOR GIVING US XBONE, KINECT AND WINDOWS 8!

Can you elaborate? I mean they have developers like Insomniac, Remedy, and Platinum Games making games for them. What's wrong with that?  Plus they have that amazing deal in the MCC and a new Horizon game coming out this Fall. Hopefully we see more Japanese support maybe at TGS as well; as well as some gameplay from Scalebound. 

I dont think that innocent is exactly the right word.

"we're going to kill sony at e3"

Hmm, Im pretty sure they are innocent of that one.

Thank you for providing facts, MSFT and XBOX get to much blind hate. Honestly MSFT and Nintendo are the main companies moving the gaming industry forward.

Its better that they go outward. Their internal first party isnt that great. Look how good Killer Instinct came out, but you dont really know who to trust as the developmental company because there is no stable name for the development, even though they've got Rare. Black Tusk was making a new IP and of course screw that. Lets stick with the status quo and not expand our minds. Gears of War. I'm not fighitng it. I love Gears, but Microsoft just isn't creative. They hire people to be creative for them.

Well that's not true either true fan. Sony is moving the industry forward just as much as Nintendo and Microsoft. 

Also, you shouldn't complain about hate and then criticise Sony right after that. 

Woohoo, actually at a computer now, time to dig in.

As my previous post, the subscription was paying for the actual dialup connection, a service you already pay for, with online play on ANY device.

All hardware has it's defects, DRE was a bad one but by no means as far spread as RROD, Nes consoles connector pins would wear out resulting in the entire blow the cart myth, that is something that effected ALL toploading nes, it was just a matter of how many times you changed carts.
Colecovisions were prone to blowing resistors, that was pretty widespread but you just didnt hear about these defects as much prior to the PS2 era because the internet wasn't a thing back then.

Microsoft get the stick for RROD because there were practically videos of it graphical glitching and rrod, the same day it released, while small in frequency, then, it more or less became a waiting game for how long you could own one without it dying.

However, with this point, I would rather argue that most console defects are down to the use of RoHS solder, all of the hana/ana, gou and cpu failures on the 360 were because of that, but it also had ejection errors, drive failures, disc scratching, proprietory and sinfully expensive for the size hard drives, which is a whole other angle right there.

IF anything though, Microsoft set the undesirable milestone of taking two thirds of a consoles life cycle to fix a poor thermal design.

For the last point it's not worth arguing because either side of the argument is just conjecture.