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WagnerPaiva on 02 July 2014

I always liked FF8 as well, I know it is cool to hate that game, but I remember liking it a lot back in the day.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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Wright on 02 July 2014
WagnerPaiva said:
I always liked FF8 as well, I know it is cool to hate that game, but I remember liking it a lot back in the day.


I prefer FF8 to FF7, actually. It doesn't have to be better game or anything, but FF8 felt more magical to me than FF7.



Brii on 02 July 2014
exdeath said:
Brii said:
Gotta say, the Final Fantasy series never really grabbed me. Though the argument in the OP seemed to be a little .. weak.

My personal favorites (not necessarily games I'd call the BEST in the genre) would have to be Shadow Hearts, Xenoblade, Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, Persona 2, and Tales of the Abyss. Unfortunately, I missed out on a lot of classics from the PS1 as a kid since we never owned the console, and playing them now just doesn't have the same impact.


Sure it does. Xenogears took the top spot in my favorite 5 games of all time only recently taking it from FF IV.  I didn't play it for the first time until my 30s well into 7th gen.

 

It was clunky and ugly as hell of course but my jaw dropped and the hairs on my neck stood up so many times.  The story revelations....wow.

Good JRPGs are timeless, though the early 3D doesn't stand up.


It's just from a personal perspective. I went straight from 2d sprites on the SNES to the PS2. I never had an N64 or PSone, so going back to that era is difficult for me. Yes, some games hold up, but I'll never have those 'wow' moments to the same extent  where I'm astounded by the visuals and to some extent the narrative, since I've already experienced (allegedly) more refined rpgs that existed after developers became accustomed to 3d models and design. Sometimes it's difficult to go back to a rough control scheme and unclear menus. It's same reason why I can appreciate The Beatles and their impact on the industry, but don't like listening to their music.

 

Again, this is a personal perspective. Going back doesn't have the same impact for ME.



phaedruss on 02 July 2014
famousringo said:
phaedruss said:
Intrinsic said:

Wow... then you must have never used the gambit system properly. It may sound like auto-pilot, but its depth of customizations allowed for near infinite possibilties.

You could set a character to use a certain type of heal spell on the party when HP dropped below a certain percentage, or to use a focused more powerful heal spell when when one character recieved instant and extreme damage. You could have one particluar character set to constsantly evive your fallen party members and then have another party member set to only revive the healer if he dies. You could set you party to use certain types of attack spells after a certain prompt..eg, cast or use an item that makes chracters weaker to fire magic, and that will trigger all your chracters to use fire magic on that character for the duration of that status effect. Or casting slow on an enemy can prompt a party member to cast haste on all of your party..etc

I could go on forever, the gambit system was honestly the most ingenious and deepest party management system I have ever seen and allowed you really do so much more in combat rather than micro manage everything. If you have a perfect gambit setup for any combination of party members... its really a beauty to watch everything fall into place.


Yea, I understand perfectly what the gambit system was and how it worked, like I said auto-pilot, I prefer to control my whole party in a single player RPG rather than pretending it's an MMO.


Yeah, a scriptable party was a novel idea, but it positively slaughtered player agency.

Rather than a being a frontline squad commander whose orders make the difference between life and death, the player becomes a middle manager who writes a book of policies that delegates all decisions, then leans back in a big chair while smoking a cigar. I'm sure they could have made it more boring if they had the player worry about staff scheduling and limiting legal liability.

Lol. Awesome post.



jonathanalis on 02 July 2014

first you have to discuss what is the better FF

then it can compete with xenoblade and chrono trigger.



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WagnerPaiva on 02 July 2014
Wright said:
WagnerPaiva said:
I always liked FF8 as well, I know it is cool to hate that game, but I remember liking it a lot back in the day.


I prefer FF8 to FF7, actually. It doesn't have to be better game or anything, but FF8 felt more magical to me than FF7.


Me too. And, hey, if you keep walking in circles you gain a lot of income from Seed salaries. (Just like in real life) =D



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

novasonic on 02 July 2014

Uhg, I hate it when aggressive Playstation guys use enhanced emulator screen shots to pretend Playstation games looked good.

That's better.




8th gen predictions. (made early 2014)
PS4: 60-65m
WiiU: 30-35m
X1: 30-35m
3DS: 80-85m
PSV: 15-20m

phaedruss on 02 July 2014
novasonic said:

Uhg, I hate it when aggressive Playstation guys use enhanced emulator screen shots to pretend Playstation games looked good.

That's better.


Lol good point. though I personally think FFIX still looks phenomenal, at least for the time.

 

 

I'm not sure if this is off an emulator, but I don't think it is.



NobleTeam360 on 02 July 2014

Sounds like someone stuck in 1997 and can't accept that games moved on.



novasonic on 02 July 2014
phaedruss said:
novasonic said:

Uhg, I hate it when aggressive Playstation guys use enhanced emulator screen shots to pretend Playstation games looked good.

pictures I removed for the sake of a smaller tree.

 

That's better.


Lol good point. though I personally think FFIX still looks phenomenal, at least for the time.

 

 

I'm not sure if this is off an emulator, but I don't think it is.

That shots a little hard to tell. It could go either way. It's a pre-rendered backround so you can't go by that.. The character models look a little too good, but they could have just played with the contrast and sharpness to give it the illusion of more detail.




8th gen predictions. (made early 2014)
PS4: 60-65m
WiiU: 30-35m
X1: 30-35m
3DS: 80-85m
PSV: 15-20m