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jlmurph2 said:
Jay70sgamer said:
jlmurph2 said:
Jay70sgamer said:



Lol a fad is something that is hot for a moment and fades ...100,000,000 people is not a fad sorry any way you cut iton spin it so with your so called definition of fad I can call the ps2 a fad with the DVD player because Sony lost almost have there fan base from ps2 to ps3 (154,000,000 to "80,000,000) lol and you are wearing that ps3 and xbox360 outsold wii for 2 years like its a badge of honor what about the first 6 years lol and everyone knows nintendo stop supporting the wii in the last year in a half lol all consoles fade off the last couple of years lol nothing new or different for any console 

Which is exactly what happened to the Wii as seen by the last couple years and how the Wii U is selling. I dont care what anyone tells you, 4  million consoles sold in the first full year is not an achievement

You are forgetting this is not a sprint and but a race nobody knows how this generation is gonna play out so if playstation 4 does not sell more than the playstation3 that would be three straight generations off the playstation brand declining ..will I  be be able to say its a trend and that the playstaion brand is fading lol..people forget that each generation is different and that sometimes you win sometimes you don't lol it's as simple as that ...people forget nintendo has won 3 out of seven generations and has beat "every" console it's been against at least once(Atari,sega,Sony,xbox,Neo geo ,colecovison etc )that's a huge feat ...


PlayStation dropped gen over gen once not 2 times. While Nintendo dropped gen over gen every single generation until the Wii came. Tell me, if the Wii wasn't a fad then why didn't those people buy a Wii U? To go from 20 million in a year (2009) all the way down to 4 for the next generation is unheard of. It shows that the Wii was another popular trend that faded away like every trend does. 

I meant 1 generation Playstation has had only 3 consoles not including the ps4 ....how did it go from. 154,000,000 to almost half it's base in one generation ....it's because each generation is different nothing stays the same .....



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binary solo said:
RolStoppable said:
binary solo said:

Ahem! 80 million consoles thank you. Nintendo was probably going to sell 20 million Wii's without the fad factor. A one generation wonder is the very definition of a fad. The fact that motion controls are now passe is also the definition of a fad. 4 years of amazing sales in the context of console history is a fad. When the history of gaming consoles is written in 20 years fad is the word the historians will use to describe the Wii phenomenon. When you can't carry over your install based to the next generation your success the previous generation is a fad. The fact that Wii tailed off terribly long before Wii U launched means it was a fad. The fact that PS3 and 360 both outsold Wii in 2011 and 2012 means it was a fad.

I think the actual definition of a fad is something that is shortlived and doing the same thing again won't work for a second time. Since the Wii lasted several years (in other words, an entire generation) and its successor is nothing like it, it fails to fulfill the conditions of a fad on both accounts. Of course, the jury is still out on the second time part, because in order to know for sure Nintendo actually has to make another console like the Wii.

The definition of fad differs based on the context of the discussion. The fact that people only cared about motion controls for a single generation, and that motion controls are not helping to drive sales the following generation pretty much puts Wii in particular and motion controls in general into the fad category.

Technically the Wii phenomenon didn't really last an entire generation. It lasted 4 years, and then rapidly tailed off to make Wii the worst selling console of on an anual basis for it's final 2 years of being the current Nintendo home console.


Does that take away from the  fact that you go by total sales in its entire life and not the first 4 years or last two years it's "Total console "sales for the life the system is what matters lol so what it sold bad the last two years ....it sold 100,000,000 units ..people lie numbers don't lol.....lol it didn't last an entire generation ...it sold over 100,000,000 lol over 6 years lol 



RolStoppable said:
binary solo said:

Ahem! 80 million consoles thank you. Nintendo was probably going to sell 20 million Wii's without the fad factor. A one generation wonder is the very definition of a fad. The fact that motion controls are now passe is also the definition of a fad. 4 years of amazing sales in the context of console history is a fad. When the history of gaming consoles is written in 20 years fad is the word the historians will use to describe the Wii phenomenon. When you can't carry over your install based to the next generation your success the previous generation is a fad. The fact that Wii tailed off terribly long before Wii U launched means it was a fad. The fact that PS3 and 360 both outsold Wii in 2011 and 2012 means it was a fad.

I think the actual definition of a fad is something that is shortlived and doing the same thing again won't work for a second time. Since the Wii lasted several years (in other words, an entire generation) and its successor is nothing like it, it fails to fulfill the conditions of a fad on both accounts. Of course, the jury is still out on the second time part, because in order to know for sure Nintendo actually has to make another console like the Wii.


A fad has no time limit per se, but a few years isn't a very long time in real world terms.



Jay70sgamer said:
ChudStudly said:
Smear-Gel said:
Wii U's numbers are due to doom and gloom, while everybody else's numbers are due to "slow summer months guys obviously they are low"

Eeyup.


That's actually pretty accurate. I'm not concerned about X1 or PS4. WiiU is a different story. But even that isn't so surprising. Aside from the Wii fad, Nintendo hasn't been the market leader in home consoles for a long time. Look at the GameCube. 


It's funny because xbox has never been the market leader period and it seems you are forgetting Sony wasn't the market leader for over 8 years until this year and every nintendo home console turned a profit Sony and Microsoft no.....lost billions also it's funny how a lot of people wanna say it was a fad no it wasn't 100,000,000 consoles is no fad ....it was called innovation motion controlled games something that wasn't done well until nintendo perfected it .....


What's funny is you seem to be taking this awfully personal. And no, it was pretty much a fad.



The home console market is domed because the Ps4 is not selling as well as the WII at 299$ with the hype of motion gaming and WII Sport...amazing



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ChudStudly said:
Jay70sgamer said:
ChudStudly said:
Smear-Gel said:
Wii U's numbers are due to doom and gloom, while everybody else's numbers are due to "slow summer months guys obviously they are low"

Eeyup.


That's actually pretty accurate. I'm not concerned about X1 or PS4. WiiU is a different story. But even that isn't so surprising. Aside from the Wii fad, Nintendo hasn't been the market leader in home consoles for a long time. Look at the GameCube. 


It's funny because xbox has never been the market leader period and it seems you are forgetting Sony wasn't the market leader for over 8 years until this year and every nintendo home console turned a profit Sony and Microsoft no.....lost billions also it's funny how a lot of people wanna say it was a fad no it wasn't 100,000,000 consoles is no fad ....it was called innovation motion controlled games something that wasn't done well until nintendo perfected it .....


What's funny is you seem to be taking this awfully personal. And no, it was pretty much a fad.

I'm laughing at you lol I never take this personal ..Im only stated facts you're  the one that's taking it serious lol I only stated facts that can't be disputed and u seem kinda mad about that lol...what have I said that's  not true in my statement lol



Jay70sgamer said:

I'm laughing at you lol I never take this personal ..Im only stated facts you're  the one that's taking it serious lol I only stated facts that can't be disputed and u seem kinda mad about that lol...what have I said that's  not true in my statement lol


What you said that isn't true is that the Wii wasn't a fad.



Neodegenerate said:
Jay70sgamer said:

I'm laughing at you lol I never take this personal ..Im only stated facts you're  the one that's taking it serious lol I only stated facts that can't be disputed and u seem kinda mad about that lol...what have I said that's  not true in my statement lol


What you said that isn't true is that the Wii wasn't a fad.


That's your opinion lol everything else is fact 



Mummelmann said:
chocoloco said:
Mummelmann said:
 


How is it impossible that there's a decline? So if something has experienced growth over time, it is impossible for it to enter a state of decline? That's how markets work, all of them.

The Wii alone sold more than the PS4, One and Wii U combined at this point in time during the first summer with all three out, this is nothing short a clear-cut indicator that we're seeing a market contraction and the front-loaded launches only show that consoles are being more affected by revisionist design philosophy like tablets and phones and the overall market movements in consumer electronics as a market segment.

There will be a decline, to deny that is folly at this point.

Meh, the decline in consoles is mostly from the wii going to the the wii U. There is not really a decline for the MS and Sony consoles. Thus some of us are not very concerned about the decline.


Regardless of the cause; there will be a decline in the home console market as well as a massive one in the handheld market and that's my whole point. The 7th gen saw 235-240 million handhelds and had three consoles ending up in the 85-100 million region in lifetime sales, that is unprecedented in console history and was the peak of the console market. Gaming has branched out and splintered into several chunks so even if the total revenue is still growing in gaming; the share going towards consoles will be shrinking a great deal.

And that is called a market contraction and people are actually arguing against the fact that there will be one, some have even claimed there will be growth. At this point, and since long ago; there is absolutely no basis for such claims but a whole lot for the opposite.

Besides; it is still to soon to say anything about MS and Sony consoles, I don't think the One will sell 90 million and I'm not so sure that the PS4 will beat the PS3 either, and if it does; it won't be by much.

The argument was; "look, there has been growth in the past generations, there is no decline". My answer is; past growth is in no way indicative of future and continued growth but there is ample data to support the opposite stance.

As for being concerned; well, neither am I for now, PC gaming has gotten a huge vitamin shot in the past 4-5 years and has actually grown and there are still studios that produce quality software for me to enjoy. What does concern me is companies like Capcom, Bioware and Dice shitting on their legacy and IP's though, and the likes of Dungeon Keeper and other classics being diluted and shredded on mobile platforms. The overall focus on glitz and glamour over actual worthwhile content and good writing and gameplay also worries me. I don't feel that gaming has changed for the better and the majority rules, which means that Angry Bird and the like are setting the bar for profitability and appeal; in turn making less studios (and lesser studios...) go for cheap and simple fare rather than living out ambitions.

All things aside though; the console market is facing a big decline and that was the main point I wanted to come across.


You're a PC gamer and you appear to be heavily biased; of course you think consoles are dying. I hope you'll have enough room for all that crow in 2015.



Jay70sgamer said:
ChudStudly said:
Jay70sgamer said:
ChudStudly said:
Smear-Gel said:
Wii U's numbers are due to doom and gloom, while everybody else's numbers are due to "slow summer months guys obviously they are low"

Eeyup.


That's actually pretty accurate. I'm not concerned about X1 or PS4. WiiU is a different story. But even that isn't so surprising. Aside from the Wii fad, Nintendo hasn't been the market leader in home consoles for a long time. Look at the GameCube. 


It's funny because xbox has never been the market leader period and it seems you are forgetting Sony wasn't the market leader for over 8 years until this year and every nintendo home console turned a profit Sony and Microsoft no.....lost billions also it's funny how a lot of people wanna say it was a fad no it wasn't 100,000,000 consoles is no fad ....it was called innovation motion controlled games something that wasn't done well until nintendo perfected it .....


What's funny is you seem to be taking this awfully personal. And no, it was pretty much a fad.

I'm laughing at you lol I never take this personal ..Im only stated facts you're  the one that's taking it serious lol I only stated facts that can't be disputed and u seem kinda mad about that lol...what have I said that's  not true in my statement lol


Why would I be mad? Mad about what? Also, that's a lotta lols.