However, is it incorrect to say that most mainstream FPS games have been stagnant in their innovations for awhile now?  Sure there are FPS that offer something new but most of them are clones.  Not to say other genres don't suffer from stagnation but it is more obvious in the FPS genre.  Same can be said about platformers but I prefer platformers.

I think we all can agree that Nintendo make great games, but he does have a point! I'm not sure why they don't make more mature games. I have a couple ideas on why that is:

I think it's budget, most mature games tend to try for a more realistic look(not all) but most nintendo games tend to be cell shaded/cartoony or have great color contrast which makes up for any lack of texture detail. Also voice acting. Mature games tend to have more story or cinematic feel to them which might require voice actors. Most nintendo games don't have voice acting or they tend to be cutesy 1 liners from Mario. Basically it's cheaper to make the type of games they make. I think nintendo is mostly against mature rated games. You guys remember Mortal Kombat on snes they removed the blood.

Their Digital event was rated "M"

I dunno.  Last two FPS games I played were Borderlands 2 and BioShock Infinite.  Both were really good.  Are there a lot of clones?  Who cares, really?  Did all the platforming clones when that was the dominant genre make people shy away from Mario?

Regardless, the suggestion that M-rated automatically equates to "grey shooter" is a false argument.  It's especially silly considering how many Nintendo fans are excited for Bayonetta 2, which is also M-rated.

Quite honestly, I don't really care if Nintendo brings more diversity to their home consoles.  I think they could do nicely by remaining niche, though that always makes it hard to maintain your fanbase over long periods of time.  However, if they're ever going to be at the top again, they will have to appeal to more people.  That's just the way it is.

A lot of M-rated games are grey shooters. There's no denying there. I find that the first Bayonetta also lacks colour and I'm glad the second one fixed that. 

I agree Nintendo needs to put out some more mature games (not necesarrily a violent game or a shooter) like Metroid or a new IP. Something with an actual serious story would be great to see of Nintendo. They haven't really done that. Also fully voice acted. The graphics don't even have to be realistic, I like the look of the new Zelda for example. 

I personally think Nintendo produces enough genres for me.

With Wii you have

RTS - Battalion Wars 2

TBS - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn

Racing - Excite Truck, Mario Kart Wii, Excitebots: Trick Racing

Simulation - Animal Crossing: City Folk

Sports - Wii Sports, Mario Strikers Charged, Punch-Out!!, Mario Sports Mix

FPS - Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Rail Shooter - Sin & Punishment: Star Successor

Fighting - Super Smash Bros. Brawl

RPG - Xenoblade Chronicles, Super Paper Mario

2D/3D Platformers - no need to mention

Mini games - no need to mention

Some of these games were co developed but all were published by Nintendo.  They have to offer as much variety in their genres as possible because they have to pick up the slack of the lack of third party games.

I don't see how the OP's opinion is any worse than comments about shooter games or generally games that are not on wiiu. Calling shooters "generic", "gray" etc is just as ignorant as calling all Ninty games "kiddie". Same with saying that only Ninty innovates or that games that are not on ninty consoles are all about bewbs, sex, violence etc.

I take it some of you haven't experienced games like Beyond, Heavy Rain and the Last of Us. Incredible experiences that have nothing to do with the things that quite a few people mentioned on this thread.

Yet the OP is the only one being moderated? I'm confused. How is all this hatred (and ignorance) for shooters allowed but not the OP's criticism (and maybe ignorance) on ninty games? I know criticism of the mods is not allowed, but I still find it puzzling. Either shit talking games and genres is not allowed for everyone or it's completely allowed. The rules suggest that it should be the former.

Also, I think the OP has a point. Maybe not phrased in the best way possible, but still. Ninty has a family friendly image and in their efforts to maintain it, they seem to be pushing away people who care about their own image and want to buy a "cool" console. Unfortunately for Ninty, the wiiu is not perceived as cool by teenagers or adults in their early 20's, who represent a significant part of the gaming community. I believe that if Ninty does not start evolving some time soon, their presence in gaming will become less and less important with each passing year.

I could be wrong, of course, but the way I see it people's love for their franchises blinds them in terms of the business aspect of gaming.

Take a look at the exclusives announced for PS4 this E3. All are mature, dark over the top violent games with the exception of LBP3. Which was the only game I really liked from them. Although The Order also looks really good, but Bloodborne looks too much like it (gameplay can still be radically different of course)

Very mature thread

So I could post about how this was one of the worst threads I've ever read.

OT: This is one of the worst threads I've ever read.