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kitler53 on 31 May 2014
Pyro as Bill said:
kitler53 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

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  you watch HBO's content without first subcribing to comcast, direct tv or some other cable tv service?  nope, they are third party in that they are dependand on someone else investing in creating and maintaining the physical serives in which HBO' content is delivered on. 

they can focus on content because someone else is focusing on delivery.  so when nintendo goes third party i agree, they will dominat the software charts on xbox and playstation. 


But Comcast and direct TV would be nothing if some else didn't invest in TVs and cable boxes, right?

And if nobody cares about the TV and cable box maker and the internet make 'deliverers' obsolete, then it all comes down to the content creators, no?


and no one cares about content without a viable platform to consume it 

 

you can say that nintendo makes the worlds best content and casuals are frothing at the mouth for more. i will disagree since all of nintendo's frachises are flopping this gen but lets indulge you for a moment.  consumers won't invest in a platform that doesn't support a healthy amount of content satisfying a wide variety of consumer tastes.  nintendo has shown for generations now a reluctance to do what is needed to cultivate relationships with any other content developer.  

in a battle of nintendo versus the industry nintendo loses. it killed the wii. it killed the wiiU. 

nintendo, in video games, has the dimmest future if they continue they current strategy. 


@bolded. Nonsense. The people who were causing the Wii to be sold out for 3 holidays couldnt care less about what was coming next. The content creators Nintendo was reluctant to work with (ex CoD (btw if SNES-NES builds can be done, there was no excuse for lack of CoD or Street Fighter 4)) were not market expanders. CoD has maxed the market (MOBAs might be this gen's saviour but wont expand anything).

Nintendo joined the industry in killing the Wii. They should have killed the industry instead.


wii, which began the gen outselling its nearest competitor by 400% ended with a totoal collapse in year four, getting kicked out the market first, and currently maintains a mere 20% lead and shrinking to be followed up by what is on target to be thei biggest failure of a console. 

industry didn't kill the wii, an inability to maintain consumer interest did.  disatisfaction with their library, first and third party. i hear it all the time from wii owners, " it was fun for a bit but the games were just too shallow to keep my interest."



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Pyro as Bill on 31 May 2014
kitler53 said:
Pyro as Bill said:
kitler53 said:


and no one cares about content without a viable platform to consume it 

 

you can say that nintendo makes the worlds best content and casuals are frothing at the mouth for more. i will disagree since all of nintendo's frachises are flopping this gen but lets indulge you for a moment.  consumers won't invest in a platform that doesn't support a healthy amount of content satisfying a wide variety of consumer tastes.  nintendo has shown for generations now a reluctance to do what is needed to cultivate relationships with any other content developer.  

in a battle of nintendo versus the industry nintendo loses. it killed the wii. it killed the wiiU. 

nintendo, in video games, has the dimmest future if they continue they current strategy. 


@bolded. Nonsense. The people who were causing the Wii to be sold out for 3 holidays couldnt care less about what was coming next. The content creators Nintendo was reluctant to work with (ex CoD (btw if SNES-NES builds can be done, there was no excuse for lack of CoD or Street Fighter 4)) were not market expanders. CoD has maxed the market (MOBAs might be this gen's saviour but wont expand anything).

Nintendo joined the industry in killing the Wii. They should have killed the industry instead.


wii, which began the gen outselling its nearest competitor by 400% with market expanding games..........ended with a totoal collapse in year four after they stopped making market expanding games, getting kicked out the market first, and currently maintains a mere 20% lead and shrinking to be followed up by what is on target to be thei biggest failure of a console after pouring the money from market expanding games to SoS (same old....)

industry didn't kill the wii, an inability to maintain consumer interest did.agreed, they also gave 3rd parties a window, big mistake disatisfaction with their library (have you looked at Metacritic for their/Nintendo games?), first and third party if Wii was the only game in town we wouldn't have seen 'casual' profits directed at higher resolutions, CoD and GTA would have been made in SD and would have been just as good if not better. i hear it all the time from wii owners, " it was fun for a bit but the games were just too shallow to keep my interest." Not from normal gamers and people who appreciate that game mechanics in cartoony clothes are no different than the same mechanics in brown, greynblack





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kitler53 on 31 May 2014

alright, i'm done here. you can believe whatever you want but what i see is wishful thinking not a realistic view of where the market is and is going.



think-man on 31 May 2014

Anyone else enjoying the decline in hardware/rise of content?

Looks at PS4 sales, *laughs

*Leaves thread.



 

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Pyro as Bill on 31 May 2014
kitler53 said:
alright, i'm done here. you can believe whatever you want but what i see is wishful thinking not a realistic view of where the market is and is going.


It's true that for a certain type of gamer that 3rd party support is factor. But it's a bet in advance, no more than a guess.

Wii Sports, Fit, CoD, Minecraft, SMB, Tetris, Pokemon don't need 3rd part support. People didn't care about 3rd party support when they bought the systems that played those games. Normal people don't even know the difference between a first and 3rd party game.

They get bored of/finish the game, then they get bored of the console if there aren't more games that appeal. Simple. Nintendo joined the industry in not making WII games. That's why we're still waiting for the swordfighting revolution in fighting games or enhanced spaceship controls in shootemups



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Scoobes on 31 May 2014

I fail to see the logic in your argument. There might be a point in there somewhere but I can't find it.




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Pyro as Bill on 31 May 2014
think-man said:
Anyone else enjoying the decline in hardware/rise of content?

Looks at PS4 sales, *laughs

*Leaves thread.


Yeah the next CoD will be great and no doubt set the world on fire but what about the other 200M or so that didnt buy it.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

think-man on 31 May 2014
Pyro as Bill said:
think-man said:
Anyone else enjoying the decline in hardware/rise of content?

Looks at PS4 sales, *laughs

*Leaves thread.


Yeah the next CoD will be great and no doubt set the world on fire but what about the other 200M or so that didnt buy it.

Looking at what casuals did to the 360 late in it's life is all the more reason Id rather it didn't come to next gen. You wind up with shovelware crap.



 

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Pyro as Bill on 31 May 2014
think-man said:
Pyro as Bill said:
think-man said:
Anyone else enjoying the decline in hardware/rise of content?

Looks at PS4 sales, *laughs

*Leaves thread.


Yeah the next CoD will be great and no doubt set the world on fire but what about the other 200M or so that didnt buy it.

Looking at what casuals did to the 360 late in it's life is all the more reason Id rather it didn't come to next gen. You wind up with shovelware crap.

That 'shovelware crap' is exactly what 3rd parties for the most part are, not just 3rd parties either. Like moths to the flame they tried to copy/challenge Nintendo in their newly created motion control domain and got burnt.....seriously burnt in Microsofts case. MS was led down a path that has cost them billions, Sony bailed out early. 



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

think-man on 31 May 2014
Pyro as Bill said:
think-man said:
Pyro as Bill said:


Yeah the next CoD will be great and no doubt set the world on fire but what about the other 200M or so that didnt buy it.

Looking at what casuals did to the 360 late in it's life is all the more reason Id rather it didn't come to next gen. You wind up with shovelware crap.

That 'shovelware crap' is exactly what 3rd parties for the most part are, not just 3rd parties either. Like moths to the flame they tried to copy/challenge Nintendo in their newly created motion control domain and got burnt.....seriously burnt in Microsofts case. MS was led down a path that has cost them billions, Sony bailed out early. 

Yeah and it's coming back, when these VR headsets land every tom dick and harry will want one. And lots of crappy games will come out again -.-



 

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