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spemanig said:
curl-6 said:
Xenostar said:

Great comeback i see i used an 'e' instead of an 'i'.

Doesnt make what you said anywhere based in reality, you only had to look at there financial statement of last week, to see they have many departments much more profitable than gaming, in fact gaming wasn't even profitable at all, but that is understandable as theyve just had a massive product launch. 

Their gaming division may not be a money maker now but they're in a good position for the 8th gen.


Okay, this needs to die here. Sony's gaming division is not in a good position for eighth gen. The PS4 is. The Vita still is and continues to be a money losing flop. You don't get to just ignore half of the playstation's gaming division. The Vita is a failure. That's like saying that Nintendo is in a "good position for the 8th gen" because the 3DS is doing well. No. They aren't.

If you look at sales, advertising, development or any form of investment it wouldn't be fair to call Vita anywhere near half of their gaming division.  Sony ignores that "half" of their gaming division outside of Japan too.  



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Glad none of you are running these companies



I'd say the mobile division has some hope too. Something along the lines of the Xperia Play, but executed correctly (i.e., give the thing access to both the PlayStore and the PlayStation Store)



mrgeonard09 said:
Glad none of you are running these companies

Who would you recommend for CEO? Bear in mind that Howard "The Fixer" Stringer's stint at the helm destroyed his cool nickname, and Kaz's popularity is bordering on satire, so who is a bad enough Dude to rescue The Company?



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Firing Iwata would solve everything.



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spemanig said:
curl-6 said:
Xenostar said:

Great comeback i see i used an 'e' instead of an 'i'.

Doesnt make what you said anywhere based in reality, you only had to look at there financial statement of last week, to see they have many departments much more profitable than gaming, in fact gaming wasn't even profitable at all, but that is understandable as theyve just had a massive product launch. 

Their gaming division may not be a money maker now but they're in a good position for the 8th gen.


Okay, this needs to die here. Sony's gaming division is not in a good position for eighth gen. The PS4 is. The Vita still is and continues to be a money losing flop. You don't get to just ignore half of the playstation's gaming division. The Vita is a failure. That's like saying that Nintendo is in a "good position for the 8th gen" because the 3DS is doing well. No. They aren't.

Your statement would make more sense if Sony/their playstation division was spending equal resources to vita. They aren't. There's no way you can argue that the vita is the other half. It's more like a 12th, if not less.

Howmuch money have they spent on ps4 advertising compared to advertising for psvita? How many games have their studios made and how many timed exclusives have they paid for? Your comparison with Ninty is invalid. Ninty's strength is a handheld and we know that handhelds are not popular any more and their popularity will most likely fall even even further in the next generation. The ps4 hasn't reached it's peak yet, while the 3ds has. Most importantly, Ninty is spending tons of money making games for wiiu, some of which have flopped, unlike Sony whose first party studios are spending close to zero resources on psvita projects.

They have let psvita die recently, so they are neither making nor losing money from it.



RolStoppable said:
Fire Kaz. Problem solved.

OK

What if

Anfebious said:
Firing Iwata would solve everything.

WHAT IF THEY SWAPPED JOBS

Would the shock of their new environments make them "hungry" enough to actually earn their keep?

 

 

SUPER EDIT: I want to see what Eiji Aonuma could do to The Last Guardian.



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DirtyP2002 said:
Why would any investor want to put his money on such a sinking ship like non-entertainmen-Sony?
Heck Sony WITH entertainment is pretty much fucked up, how do they expect to improve without profitable divisions?
Therefore it is more like "saving" the profitable divisions before they are sinking along with Sony as a whole.

Again, the article explains this: Sony's current valuation is less than the sum of it's parts.
Splitting it up is instant paper profit for speculator investors like the guy quoted in the article,
who can sell his stake immediately for a profit, irrespective of what happens in any of the business units.
In the article, he refuses to make a counter-argument against the benefits of keeping the congolomerate together,
his entire premise hinges on benefits to stockholders in valuation terms, not on profitability or business operations.
Conversely, investors looking to earn actual profits out of Sony do better by Sony's below-spec valuation.



kowenicki said:

To contact the reporters on this story: Brooke Sutherland in New York at bsutherland7@bloomberg.net; Grace Huang in Tokyo at xhuang66@bloomberg.net; Cliff Edwards in San Francisco at cedwards28@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Beth Williams at bewilliams@bloomberg.net; Michael Tighe at mtighe4@bloomberg.net Whitney Kisling

Never going to happen, the Japanese govenment won't let it

oh and to all the armchair CEO's and CFO's in this thread:



I'm not so sure a real breakup would be the answer.

Let's say the PlayStation branch was broken off on its own. 1 or 2 generations of bad performance could kill Playstation forever. Wheras if it were kept in the main company it could be sustained during bad times only to surge back when times are good. Case in point PS3 vs PS4. PS3 could easily have gone the way of the Dreamcast. Instead Sony was able to keep in the game and thus PS3 ended up not being the complete disaster it should have been, because Sony was able to stick it out and pump more money into the console and keep the games flowing. PS3 could easily have been the end of Playstation, thus we would not have the PS4. That would have been a tragedy given how shitty the Wii U and XONE are right now.

A very long view needs to be kept in mind if a breakup is going to happen. What should be kept, what should be spun off. Can a robust company be maintained if too much is spun off? Or will there only be just a bunch of mediocre has beens left.

Although, its funny that the most profitable part of Sony is the finance division...



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