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Wazowski said:
DonFerrari said:
TheDrill is a real warrior. Greater thanthe 300. He have fended and defended alone the whole evil Sony empire. If he could buy (or sell/convert to his troop) as much as he fights (struggles better than guts on berserker armor) X1 would outsell ps2 "universally in earth". And he have done that without ever flinching and ceding to show evidence as the unscientific crowd have tried to fool him to do.

the more we drill the less clear we see

Ffantastic





duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Rafux said:
PS3 Slim at $299, now that was a comeback.

In the context of the USA if that's what we define as comeback then PS3 went from a 1.9:1 LTD advantage to Xb360 to end with a 1.65:1 LTD advantage to Xb 360. So that's a 0.25 swing to PS3.

At present PS4 advantage over Xb one in USA is ~1.2:1. A 0.25 swing to Xb one would mean 1.05:1 in favour of Xb one. I quite like that as a comeback benchmark But of course achieving 1:1 long term would be a good comeback, given it means outselling PS4 on a weekly basis more often than PS4 outsells Xb one.

I don't see where that sort of swign is going to come from before 2015, and through 2015 and beyond things are looking as good for PS4 as it is for Xb one in terms of games.



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Rafux said:
PS3 Slim at $299, now that was a comeback.


The only greater comebacks I can remember is George Foreman coming back of retirement and ippo victory against wolly (maybe this fight pass it). And of course guts coming from the death tree as orphan all the way to kill the gods.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

veritaz said:
DonFerrari said:
TheDrill is a real warrior. Greater thanthe 300. He have fended and defended alone the whole evil Sony empire. If he could buy (or sell/convert to his troop) as much as he fights (struggles better than guts on berserker armor) X1 would outsell ps2 "universally in earth". And he have done that without ever flinching and ceding to show evidence as the unscientific crowd have tried to fool him to do.


This is one of the greatest comments ever created. It even has enough brilliance to mention Berserk. 


Thanks for the recognition... Berserk is if not the greatest one of them.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

TheDrill should really just stop. Every time he speaks, he makes himself look like a laughingstock more & more.



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Garland said:

TheDrill should really just stop. Every time he speaks, he makes himself look like a laughingstock more & more.


Keep digging Drill.

 



I will adamantly defend the drill here. Firstly, I am a Sony fan, owning their consoles primarily in case people think I'm ignoring facts instead of realizing the obvious.

He clearly states in his OP that "Now that the price cut has been announced" so this obviously implies that data taken before the price cut should be ignored. So the gap that he implies in the beginning of the OP is irrelevant to prediction.

Furthermore, he made a prediction that clearly is region specific so he obviously realizes PS dominance globally.

Do I think he's wrong? Yes, I do. I think PS4 will win in NA as well as worldwide. But that is opinion, not fact yet.

The difference stands at almost 3/4 of a million(a figure that is mostly negligible to the OP prediction as the starting figure should be to date of XBO price cut). While it's unlikely XBO will sell this amount in excess of PS4 it is still not yet beyond the realms of possibility.

BUT I want the fact to remain, that while the OP was incorrect in the percentage gap of the two consoles at this this time. it should only be now taken into account that the PS4 is outselling the XBO.

But to make people not think I'm an XBO die-hard, I would like to know from TheDrill at what point would you consider it impossible for the XBO to outsell PS4 lifetime in NA?
P.S. This is still the best thread on the forum, by far :D



TheDrill said:
jnemesh said:
So, the entire premise of this thread is debunked, right? Can we stick a fork in it yet and call it done?


Not it wasn't, I made the prediction some time ago, but I claimed from the beginning that my prediction covers the period AFTER the price cut, and it includes a lot more than one month.

You are all rushing to conclusions, it's not even 1 year into this generation and X1 is holding it's own very well, and now it's making a comeback.


So what are you gonna say when XB1 hits Wii U levels in July?



alrightiwill said:
I will adamantly defend the drill here. Firstly, I am a Sony fan, owning their consoles primarily in case people think I'm ignoring facts instead of realizing the obvious.

He clearly states in his OP that "Now that the price cut has been announced" so this obviously implies that data taken before the price cut should be ignored. So the gap that he implies in the beginning of the OP is irrelevant to prediction.

Furthermore, he made a prediction that clearly is region specific so he obviously realizes PS dominance globally.

Do I think he's wrong? Yes, I do. I think PS4 will win in NA as well as worldwide. But that is opinion, not fact yet.

The difference stands at almost 3/4 of a million(a figure that is mostly negligible to the OP prediction as the starting figure should be to date of XBO price cut). While it's unlikely XBO will sell this amount in excess of PS4 it is still not yet beyond the realms of possibility.

BUT I want the fact to remain, that while the OP was incorrect in the percentage gap of the two consoles at this this time. it should only be now taken into account that the PS4 is outselling the XBO.

But to make people not think I'm an XBO die-hard, I would like to know from TheDrill at what point would you consider it impossible for the XBO to outsell PS4 lifetime in NA?
P.S. This is still the best thread on the forum, by far :D

People are so against him it isn't because he made the prediction with a wrong gap (first because of the VGC data being wrong and second was ignoring that it would grow before the price cut)... people antagonize him because he refuse all arguments, refuse the credibility of NPD, gives himself titles he don't have (at least don't seem like) and says absurd things like 38% being small gap, and that X1 is closing the gap (even by losing the sales)... and after being proven that VGC have been favouring X1 against PS4 (even more in USA) he try to say that X1 is selling more than PS4 because VGC shows one 1k ahead of the other in NA.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

alrightiwill said:
I will adamantly defend the drill here. Firstly, I am a Sony fan, owning their consoles primarily in case people think I'm ignoring facts instead of realizing the obvious.

He clearly states in his OP that "Now that the price cut has been announced" so this obviously implies that data taken before the price cut should be ignored. So the gap that he implies in the beginning of the OP is irrelevant to prediction.

Furthermore, he made a prediction that clearly is region specific so he obviously realizes PS dominance globally.

Do I think he's wrong? Yes, I do. I think PS4 will win in NA as well as worldwide. But that is opinion, not fact yet.

The difference stands at almost 3/4 of a million(a figure that is mostly negligible to the OP prediction as the starting figure should be to date of XBO price cut). While it's unlikely XBO will sell this amount in excess of PS4 it is still not yet beyond the realms of possibility.

BUT I want the fact to remain, that while the OP was incorrect in the percentage gap of the two consoles at this this time. it should only be now taken into account that the PS4 is outselling the XBO.

But to make people not think I'm an XBO die-hard, I would like to know from TheDrill at what point would you consider it impossible for the XBO to outsell PS4 lifetime in NA?
P.S. This is still the best thread on the forum, by far :D


To be fair, I think that at this point a lot of the flak he's getting isn't simply because of the prediction, but his methods. He's inconsistent, uses one explanation to defend one viewpoint, and then sometimes a self-annulling explanation to defend another, without admitting the inconsistency. ("My proof is the VGChartz numbers!" turned to "Well, it's because they CHANGE the VGChartz numbers.") Finally, he seems to pretty much ignore anyone who asks him a question he can't come up with an answer for, even when the individual asking is being perfectly polite and reasonable. So there are great, big, gaping holes in his theory that don't get filled, because he doesn't even try to fill them, and then has the nerve to accuse others of not providing evidence.

Holes such as the gap between numbers of units actually being nearly twice what his OP said, or there actually being (starting with July's NPD,) only about six months remaining to fulfill his prediction, not the eight he originally cited as an example. Holes such as not mentioning that, using the sales gap with the PS4 in June as an example, they'd have to first catch up to Sony, before outselling it by an average of around 25k every single week, bringing the total weekly increase to 32.5k units a week, (very roughly estimated) not the 10k boost he originally theorized. (Which, of course, only works if we assume that Sony's weekly sale rate never increases, or the Xbox One's numbers don't decrease at all for the next half-year, or basically that the gap between them doesn't grow even wider before it starts getting smaller.)

(For the record, I do know that you're on my side, so to speak. ;P I just haven't bothered mentioning this to him because he's ignored every other thing I've pointed out in this thread. Maybe you'll acknowledge me! D: )

P.S. This is my favorite thread too. :3



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