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The Fury on 09 May 2014
sales2099 said:

KI is also free to download and $20 for all fighters. Exclusivity has nothing to do with it. Titanfall is a system seller and it is hard to deny that Xbox gamers use it as a differentiating point against PS4. While not exclusive, it clearly has more pull and relevance then any of the real exclusives I listed as well.

Then include Resogun to the PS4 list.

No matter what games are listed by anyone here one side or the other people will argue. All 3 consoles offer great games and arguing over petty things like what is and what isn't proper exclusives/game is pointless and it's been going on a while now.

I doubt people will get over it while others keep replying to stuff like this and arguing which consoel has more 'gamez'.



Hmm, pie.

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DonFerrari on 09 May 2014
sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:
 

Having deals in one country, which were selectively retail specific, does not translate to winning globally. PS4 was still largely cheaper then X1 for the month. Again, there are other factors outside merely price. And again I doubt it was for Killzone and Infamous. Otherwise they would have higher attach rates.


I' m asking solely about America. because March PS4 were ahead of X1 in USA. So all your factors were favorable to X1 and disfavorable to PS4, so why did Sony win??? (I do know that you expected X1 to smoke PS4 ass on March NPD).

I did expect X1 to win, but realistically not by much. It is no secret PS4 is still cheaper, even during March, and has great buzz/word of mouth going for it. It does have better specs. People are just buying mroe for the promise of great games to come then whats actually available. That is actually pretty great of Sony to be in such a fortunate position.


So thanks... now we can agree... Sony have good sells based on price, spec, PR, loyalty, some games released and expectance for the future. MS have good sells in USA (but still lag elsewere) based on loyalty, good games released, maybe some of the diferentiator, but are still hold a little by price, bad PR and lower spec. Seems like a decent trade right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

planetzeon on 09 May 2014

So basically OP says games we know barely anything about on 1 system are great, and crap on the other? LOL. Sony always has a better varied lineup then MS and that won;t change this gen.



Porcupeth on 09 May 2014
sales2099 said:
Porcupeth said:
sales2099 said:
Porcupeth said:
No, what's embarrasing is you using a multiplat game as if it were an exclusive. 1.6 million bought TF? Ok, how many of those were free copies given away? How many of those were bought by people who already had a XB1? How many of those are casuals who need aim assist on their FPSes instead of playing on PC where skill actually matters?

No quote? Good thing I found you ;)

I didn't say it was an exclusive. But it is funny how a multiplat had more impact then a real exclusive. Its all about impact and context. Not this very closed minded, black and white viewpoint how anything that isn't exclusive means nothing. Cute.

Those free copies are a big reason why it impacted X1 as a system seller....you realize that right?


how did it have more impact if the gap grew? The sales numbers of the game only prove people who have the console bought it, not that there were more people buying it for TF than people buying PS4 for Infamous.

 

To the above guy, indies + big games is better than just big games. That goes without saying and there is no arguing this fact. And you know, some of these indies are actual exclusives.. unlike last gen where i got all the 360 indies on my PC :)

Sigh....the gap grew by a slower pace. That was the impact.


Heh. That's your victory, i guess. "We got stomped a bit less". Ok, you can take it. You win.



DonFerrari on 09 May 2014
sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:
Porcupeth said:
No, what's embarrasing is you using a multiplat game as if it were an exclusive. 1.6 million bought TF? Ok, how many of those were free copies given away? How many of those were bought by people who already had a XB1? How many of those are casuals who need aim assist on their FPSes instead of playing on PC where skill actually matters?

No quote? Good thing I found you ;)

I didn't say it was an exclusive. But it is funny how a multiplat had more impact then a real exclusive. Its all about impact and context. Not this very closed minded, black and white viewpoint how anything that isn't exclusive means nothing. Cute.

Those free copies are a big reason why it impacted X1 as a system seller....you realize that right?


Maybe he wants to take out the bundle numbers of Wii Sport, several uncharted and GT...

Just because you got a great deal and essentialy had the game for free and a temporary price cut doesn't mean NO ONE would have bought it otherwise... There is no doubt TF pushed consoles, we just can't measure how much.

I do agree with you. But he thinks it shouldn't factor into discussion at all, that it has no place differentiating X1 from PS4.I respect your posting style and hope I don't come across as hostile to you, but this is between me and him :)


Just because he is being biased. And there is no way to say DR3 and TF have no impact in helping X1 don't be too further behind PS4. But ok, will let you educating him on this subject.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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sales2099 on 09 May 2014
planetzeon said:
Seece said:

They don't tho, they don't sell consoles and they don't get attention, this seems to be something people are clinging onto this gen. The big titles are what get people excited and buying consoles and the reason the industry is as big as it is, not indies.

Rime can not compare to Sunset Overdrive even if you think Rime is more fun.


So now your changing your argument, your first post never said anything about only BIG titles, you even mentioned indies Plants versus zopmbies. Your list is a biased joke. Sony also has not announced most of their big proojects, sony has more games right now then x1.

 

You mention halo anniveersary, ignore TLOU.

You mention Plants versus zombiwes, leave out a bunch of great PS4 indies like resogun, Outlast, Dead Nation, Don;t starve.

Where is MLB the show?

Where is deep down?

Where is planet side 2?

FF14?

 

Your list is horribly boased. Some on your list is not going to make 2014 for xbox either, where is UC4?

No, the list trims the fat. The niche, the indies, and anything that wouldn't be considered a system seller in its own right.

MLB is tricky. It is great quality and its something X1 doesn't have. That said, baseball isn't exactly a universally popular sport and bragging about this is like bragging about Madden if it were exclusive. Praising yearly sports game releases with minimal improvments are counter productive.

LOU is a very quick remaster with little real improvements. Halo 2 Anniversary improves upon 2 generations and brings back the MP that defined the origional XBox generation. LOU MP....not so much. Context.

I personally don't mention PVZ anymore. It is timed so any bragging is short lived and it clearly isn't selling much on X1, likely due to Titanfall.

The rest you mentioned are very niche. People aren't exactly door crashing Best Buy to play FF14 for PS4.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Seece on 09 May 2014
planetzeon said:
Seece said:

They don't tho, they don't sell consoles and they don't get attention, this seems to be something people are clinging onto this gen. The big titles are what get people excited and buying consoles and the reason the industry is as big as it is, not indies.

Rime can not compare to Sunset Overdrive even if you think Rime is more fun.


So now your changing your argument, your first post never said anything about only BIG titles, you even mentioned indies Plants versus zopmbies. Your list is a biased joke. Sony also has not announced most of their big proojects, sony has more games right now then x1.

That was my whole point, I've always maintained this.

You mention halo anniveersary, ignore TLOU.

Halo Anniversary is an entirely new game/remake, it's not just a port of a year old game ...

You mention Plants versus zombiwes, leave out a bunch of great PS4 indies like resogun, Outlast, Dead Nation, Don;t starve.

Garden Warfare indie? Lol you realise it's a TPS retail game right? Nothing indie about it. I also left out Peggle 2, Max, Lococycle and Killer Instinct.

Where is MLB the show?

 

Where is deep down?

 

Where is planet side 2?

 

FF14?

 

Your list is horribly boased. Some on your list is not going to make 2014 for xbox either, where is UC4?

All those games are coming to XB1 in 2014, QB and SO confirmed.


The first 2 should definitely be added, the last 2 are none events. Just like Project Spark, Zoo Tycoon and Kinect Sports Rivals, great games but relatively non events.

My point is the games that get people buying systems.



 

planetzeon on 09 May 2014
sales2099 said:
planetzeon said:
Seece said:
 

They don't tho, they don't sell consoles and they don't get attention, this seems to be something people are clinging onto this gen. The big titles are what get people excited and buying consoles and the reason the industry is as big as it is, not indies.

Rime can not compare to Sunset Overdrive even if you think Rime is more fun.


So now your changing your argument, your first post never said anything about only BIG titles, you even mentioned indies Plants versus zopmbies. Your list is a biased joke. Sony also has not announced most of their big proojects, sony has more games right now then x1.

 

You mention halo anniveersary, ignore TLOU.

You mention Plants versus zombiwes, leave out a bunch of great PS4 indies like resogun, Outlast, Dead Nation, Don;t starve.

Where is MLB the show?

Where is deep down?

Where is planet side 2?

FF14?

 

Your list is horribly boased. Some on your list is not going to make 2014 for xbox either, where is UC4?

No, the list trims the fat. The niche, the indies, and anything that wouldn't be considered a system seller in its own right.

MLB is tricky. It is great quality and its something X1 doesn't have. That said, baseball isn't exactly a universally popular sport and bragging about this is like bragging about Madden if it were exclusive. Praising yearly sports game releases with minimal improvments are counter productive.

LOU is a very quick remaster with little real improvements. Halo 2 Anniversary improves upon 2 generations and brings back the MP that defined the origional XBox generation. LOU MP....not so much. Context.

I personally don't mention PVZ anymore. It is timed so any bragging is short lived and it clearly isn't selling much on X1, likely due to Titanfall.

The rest you mentioned are very niche. People aren't exactly door crashing Best Buy to play FF14 for PS4.


Umm no, for one you dont decide whats relevant and whats not, thats different for every person. Also, he ad an indie and a remake fro x1 in his list, and games that we dont even know if they are coming this year...Head the head ps4 has more variety right now period.



sales2099 on 09 May 2014
Porcupeth said:
sales2099 said:

Sigh....the gap grew by a slower pace. That was the impact.


Heh. That's your victory, i guess. "We got stomped a bit less". Ok, you can take it. You win.

I have no problems enjoying superior games with more relevance. You enjoy looking at numbers, im sure it is just as fun LOL.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

planetzeon on 09 May 2014
Seece said:
planetzeon said:
Seece said:

They don't tho, they don't sell consoles and they don't get attention, this seems to be something people are clinging onto this gen. The big titles are what get people excited and buying consoles and the reason the industry is as big as it is, not indies.

Rime can not compare to Sunset Overdrive even if you think Rime is more fun.


So now your changing your argument, your first post never said anything about only BIG titles, you even mentioned indies Plants versus zopmbies. Your list is a biased joke. Sony also has not announced most of their big proojects, sony has more games right now then x1.

That was my whole point, I've always maintained this.

You mention halo anniveersary, ignore TLOU.

Halo Anniversary is an entirely new game/remake, it's not just a port of a year old game ...

You mention Plants versus zombiwes, leave out a bunch of great PS4 indies like resogun, Outlast, Dead Nation, Don;t starve.

Garden Warfare indie? Lol you realise it's a TPS retail game right? Nothing indie about it. I also left out Peggle 2, Max, Lococycle and Killer Instinct.

Where is MLB the show?

 

Where is deep down?

 

Where is planet side 2?

 

FF14?

 

Your list is horribly boased. Some on your list is not going to make 2014 for xbox either, where is UC4?

All those games are coming to XB1 in 2014, QB and SO confirmed.


The first 2 should definitely be added, the last 2 are none events. Just like Project Spark, Zoo Tycoon and Kinect Sports Rivals, great games but relatively non events.

My point is the games that get people buying systems.


You dont decide that every individual buys a game system for them not what SEECE thinks. Sorrry you dont get to move the goal posts to suit your argyment,. You brought up planst versus zombies contradicting yuor own post.All those games appealed to some people period. PS4 sales speak for themselves.

 

PS:: Sunset overdriv  wont be a big game.... it's from a b level developer. Sony has more to announce and Quantum break has NOT been confirmed for 2014 has it? Nor has forza.