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Turkish on 17 March 2014
supernihilist said:
Turkish. what are you talking about?
Dont spin things, Sony sold 80 mil in 10 years, Nintendo 80 mil in 5 years. end of story


PS2 sold 158m in 13 years

Wii sold 100m in 7 years

 

Wii>PS2 confirmed



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supernihilist on 17 March 2014
Turkish said:
supernihilist said:
Turkish. what are you talking about?
Dont spin things, Sony sold 80 mil in 10 years, Nintendo 80 mil in 5 years. end of story


PS2 sold 158m in 13 years

Wii sold 100m in 7 years

 

Wii>PS2 confirmed


only if Wii had sold 158m your comparison wouldve made any sense



Turkish on 17 March 2014
supernihilist said:
Turkish said:
supernihilist said:
Turkish. what are you talking about?
Dont spin things, Sony sold 80 mil in 10 years, Nintendo 80 mil in 5 years. end of story


PS2 sold 158m in 13 years

Wii sold 100m in 7 years

 

Wii>PS2 confirmed


only if Wii had sold 158m your comparison wouldve made any sense


What Im showing to you is that the amount of time doesnt matter, its what they sold in their absolute numbers that matters. No one will remember the Wii has "the fastest selling console ever".



ktay95 on 17 March 2014

Why is this thread still going and why is it barely even about GBA vs PSP now =p



Kasz216 on 17 March 2014
Turkish said:
Kasz216 said:
Turkish said:
MohammadBadir said:
Yea. Though it's not really that impressive of a milestone when in the end Sony does in 10 years what Nintendid in 4.


Sigh excuses again. PSP was able to stay 10 years on the market, GBA only 4, Nintendo killed it becuz it wasnt selling anymore(like the Wii, good first few years and then runs out of steam).

Eh, that seems like a lie of omission and juicing of what "selling" counts as.

The GBA was outselling the yeah the PSP was launched.  PSP launched in March, but it being the release should of more then countered that, with GBA sales in 2005 equal to 2nd year PSP sales.

In a universe where the DS doesn't come out... the GBA would of undoubtly done PSP level numbers for a number of years.

Hell when the Gameboy Micro released in Japan it outsold the PSP.  I can't imagine the PSP ever outselling the VIta with a hardware redesign.

So it is totally fair to say that the reason the PSP will beat the GBA is because it's legs were cut out from underneath it prematurely.

That said, if Lebron Blows out his knee and gets beat by the Pacers, it's not like anybody is going to hand the Heat a trophy.

Had PSP had GBA sales for the PSP, We probably still wouldn't have the vita.


What? You got any numbers to back up any of your claims? You're jumping from a certain point in time in America and then somehow jump to a certain point in time in Japan to claim GBA>PSP.

The GBA sp managed to sell less than 7m in 2005, the PSP had 15 million LTD by end of 2015 (only sold 350k in 2004 Japan launch).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Advance_SP#Sales_information

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7929

You got a source for Micro outselling the PSP? Why does it matter? Was it also outselling the DS? The PSP was beating the 3DS, and PS3 super slim is beating the WiiU.  You cant imagine the PSP ever outselling Vita again but the concept of old hw>new hw isn't new, it's happening every week. The micro was so successful that it only sold 2.4m in 2 years worldwide despite costing 99 euro.

The GBA was falling off a cliff and I don't doubt it'd show legs comparable to that of the Wii and DS.  The micro failed to blew in new life to the platform. The PSP scared them to death, it was beating the DS initially. When one platform is in danger and needs saving and Nintendo's in panic mode, it's at the cost of neglecting others (3DS-WiiU story).  If GBA was so successful, it wouldn't have been killed prematurely.

 

Actually wait, the premise of this discussion is wrong anyway. The GBA wasn't killed in 4 years, it was discontinued in 2008 . It lived 7 years.

Yup, very front loaded sales and then plummeted like a rock off a cliff.

Launch data should of made it obvious I was talking US numbers.

http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2004/USA/

and you didn't actually read anything i wrote if you think the bolded is true, as i noted.  Gameboy Advance's numbers only dried up long after the DS' arrivial.

Which is the case for pretty much every handheld...

To use PSP as an example.

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_yoy.php?reg=Global&start_year=2011&end_year=2014&console=PSP

Notice that big drop off in 2011?

 

As for the DS... are fine... not sure what your talking about there.    

If anything, the GBA showed it would of  had some killer legs, as shown above it actually was above DS for a while, and DS became a hugely popular handheld system.

 

As for the micro...  again, say they release a redesigned PSP today, do you see it outselling the Vita?

A redesigned GBA outsold PSP, when the DS was out on the market and top dog... and you could play GBA on DS.

 

Hell,  GBA was tracking right with PSP before the Micro released.

http://www.1up.com/news/gba-outsells



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Kane1389 on 17 March 2014
supernihilist said:

PSP sold that much because of easy hacking and because Sony is milking it cause Vita is not really flying off the shelves.

If Vita had been a hit PSP would be dead long ago.
They are selling it for 99$ with multiple games for the love of god.
I even bought myself one.


Yeah, because PS1 was dead right after PS2 launched right?

And now PS3 is dead because PS4 is a hit???

No, Sony actually knows how to support their consoles for a much longer period of time and they can distribute their hardware to developing makrets later into the generation. Nintendo pretty much abandons their systems 5 years after launch



Kasz216 on 17 March 2014
Kane1389 said:
supernihilist said:

PSP sold that much because of easy hacking and because Sony is milking it cause Vita is not really flying off the shelves.

If Vita had been a hit PSP would be dead long ago.
They are selling it for 99$ with multiple games for the love of god.
I even bought myself one.


Yeah, because PS1 was dead right after PS2 launched right?

And now PS3 is dead because PS4 is a hit???

No, Sony actually knows how to support their consoles for a much longer period of time and they can distribute their hardware to developing makrets later into the generation. Nintendo pretty much abandons their systems 5 years after launch

Sort of?

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_yoy.php?reg=Global&start_year=2011&end_year=2014&console=PS3

It had a HUGE dropoff right after the PS4 released.

Systems keep selling after a new one comes out, but they see a big dropoff.

Funny thing is your both wrong.

The big difference between the two was the GBA was released in 2001... and the DS was released in 2004.

So GBA had 3 years as the "Go to advanced system."

 

While PSP was released in 2004 and the Vita 2011.


So Vita had over twice as long as the "Main system" of it's brand.

 

As shown, the PSP took a big drop when the Vita released.  Despite it being sort of a flop.



Kane1389 on 17 March 2014
Kasz216 said:
Kane1389 said:
supernihilist said:

PSP sold that much because of easy hacking and because Sony is milking it cause Vita is not really flying off the shelves.

If Vita had been a hit PSP would be dead long ago.
They are selling it for 99$ with multiple games for the love of god.
I even bought myself one.


Yeah, because PS1 was dead right after PS2 launched right?

And now PS3 is dead because PS4 is a hit???

No, Sony actually knows how to support their consoles for a much longer period of time and they can distribute their hardware to developing makrets later into the generation. Nintendo pretty much abandons their systems 5 years after launch

Sort of?

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_yoy.php?reg=Global&start_year=2011&end_year=2014&console=PS3

It had a HUGE dropoff right after the PS4 released.

Systems keep selling after a new one comes out, but they see a big dropoff.

Funny thing is your both wrong.

The big difference between the two was the GBA was released in 2001... and the DS was released in 2004.

So GBA had 3 years as the "Go to advanced system."

 

While PSP was released in 2004 and the Vita 2011.


So Vita had over twice as long as the "Main system" of it's brand.

 

As shown, the PSP took a big drop when the Vita released.  Despite it being sort of a flop.


Having a drop doesnt mean it was dead. It was an 8 year old console and it was still 2nd best selling one until recently, it also kept relatevly healthy sotware sales. So its nowhere near dead yet, especially if you consider its still high price (for its age)



TreeTurtle on 17 March 2014

Possibly. It depends how much longer the PSP will live. But seeing how PS1 lived until PS3 launched, and PS2 lived until PS4 launched, PSP may last until the next portable Playstation or PS5.

If the PSP dies in 2014, no, if it lasts until 2015 or 2016, possibly, if it lasts until 2017 - 2020, yes.



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Kasz216 on 17 March 2014
Kane1389 said:
Kasz216 said:
Kane1389 said:
supernihilist said:

 

Sort of?

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_yoy.php?reg=Global&start_year=2011&end_year=2014&console=PS3

It had a HUGE dropoff right after the PS4 released.

Systems keep selling after a new one comes out, but they see a big dropoff.

Funny thing is your both wrong.

The big difference between the two was the GBA was released in 2001... and the DS was released in 2004.

So GBA had 3 years as the "Go to advanced system."

 

While PSP was released in 2004 and the Vita 2011.


So Vita had over twice as long as the "Main system" of it's brand.

 

As shown, the PSP took a big drop when the Vita released.  Despite it being sort of a flop.


Having a drop doesnt mean it was dead. It was an 8 year old console and it was still 2nd best selling one until recently, it also kept relatevly healthy sotware sales. So its nowhere near dead yet, especially if you consider its still high price (for its age)

Hence "sort of"

Also it wasn't a "drop" so much as a gigantic dropoff.  The Wii had smaller proportional drops then the PS3 did there.  Until the release of the Wii U....

The point was that new hardware causes big drops and slowly leads to the old systems destruction, pretty much regardless of anything else.

The GBA sold quite the same as the PS3 is now, relative to sales when the DS came out.  Actually it faired a little better.

 

The difference?  It came out in the GBA's 3rd year.  VS Playstations 8th was it?

If the PS4 came out 3 years after the PS3 came out....

do you think it'd still be selling today?

 

I don't... hell that's before the PS3 even ever got popular, it's seems near impossible the PS3 would of still had a miracle comeback... doesn't  it?

 

The trends in this case pretty much speak for themselves.  Even PS2 took a big drop when their successor systems released.

 

Unless you beat your console to death and let it get to near zero sales before releasing it's successor, a systems main killer will be it's successor.


Which honestly should be fairly common sense.  Espeically in the case of something like the DS, where it played the GBA games already.

Why would you ever buy a GBA when you could play every GBA on the DS... and also play DS games?

 

Hell, once my PSP broke i bought a 3DS for my mobile gaming....

 

and a horde of DS games.

I didn't own my first 3DS game for months... and even then it was a gift.