Still have yet to sit down and truly play V, but most say it's a dumbed down version of IV. Any validity to that, or just nonsense?

I loved civilization revolution, one of my surprise hit games for the 360!

Did MS say when they'll start offering X1 games?

I actually really enjoyed Civ on 360. Doesn't beat the PC games, but I thought it was amazing.

So the consumer who is paying for the service isn't entitled to his/her criticism's? We pay for this service and if I don't like the games which we are receiving, your damn right I'm going to bitch. Especially if I don't feel I am getting my money's worth, I don't play on XBL so I'm just shelling out or was shelling out money for games with gold and the only notable game I've played since the service was revamped was Shoot Many Robot's all others I either owned before or the games just suck to the point they weren't worth playing.

We are entitled, especially when were paying for something and some of us feel as if were getting garbage in return. Now if I wasn't paying any money and we were receiving games that's one thing. 

The stops? All pulled out.

This is because Microsoft is spending billions on new studios, the people running Xbox only have the money they've found in the couch cushions to spend on GWG program.

I tried to like Dungeon Defenders. I hear it's good but the camera and the perspective and the movement method ... I gave up in frustration and then forgot about it. I should give it another try, I guess.

I might try out Dungeon Defenders but I played Revolution and while it's pretty good, it's pretty lame in comparison to Civ titles on the PC.

Civ V isn't as complex as IV, but I wouldn't say it's dumbed down. Just more accessible to newcomers. 

These games suck (as usual). Oh well, I bought lots of stuff in the sale last week so I'll just play that.

Well better than nothing

but worse than PS Plus

I mean embarrasingly worse

Just dont... MS....