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Beyond cutting away their weak divisions, Sony could easily churn more from their movie division if they greenlit the proper projects. They've made a lot of poor decisions last year with movies like After Earth and White House Down. This year it's Robocop and Minuments Men.



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Soundwave said:

Even if they did all that, debt doesn't magically disappear because they sold their TV division. They will have to pay off their debts.

Also, "axing" the TV division isn't as simple as people think. The TV division is dear to Sony, it's the central pillar of their company heritage, it would be like Nintendo giving up on consoles entirely or Honda giving up on automobiles. There may be an argument for it, but it's not as simple of decision as you think. It would be an extremely painful loss of morale for Sony and end of an era.

Sony isn't selling its tv division. Or axing it. They're making it a wholly owned subsidiary. Meaning they own 100% of it and run it as a separate business. With its own financials. But is still owned by sony. 



Lawlight said:
Beyond cutting away their weak divisions, Sony could easily churn more from their movie division if they greenlit the proper projects. They've made a lot of poor decisions last year with movies like After Earth and White House Down. This year it's Robocop and Minuments Men.

                             World wide revenue                                                       budget
Robocop:                 $ 146.000.000 $ 100.000.000
After Earth:                 $ 243.800.000 $ 130.000.000
White House Down:  $ 205.000.000 $ 150.000.000

 

Still, it will be a minimum profit for After Earth/Robocop (Robocop is still in the cinema's).
White House Down, is even a lost. I don't expect millions  with the DVD/Blue-ray's sale. I am expecting some big numbers from The amazing Spider-man 2



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Mystro-Sama said:

 

1. That percentage thats been hovering around was generated Macroaxis. Which is basically a financially engineering tool website which is pretty much just a robot that generates predicitions based off company history. This pretty much throws all credibility through the window.

Macroaxis is a 'trustworthy" tool and used by many people.  It is definitely credible.

 

2. Those predictions were made with impression that Sony would keep their PC and TV divisions which they axed. They were also the only unprofitable sectors, every other division makes big profit. Even Kaz's vision of Sony didn't include them which means he knew they were beyond saving.

Sony is not axing the TV division, theyre restructuring it. 

3. Sony is overemployed with 160,000 employees and has assets scattered everywhere. If they so desired then they could just simply sell off what isn't necessary.

Idk how many people work at other companies so no comment.

4. The gaming division is the best it's ever been and even broke their records form the PS2 days, not to mention PS Now. They'll easily generate billions here.

The gaming division can not and will not keep a company as big as sony alive. They will need to rely on multiple division like their banking, mobile, movies, etc along with gaming. It would be like asking MSFT to survive off Xbox alone, not going to happen.  As for PS Now, that could go either way.

Thoughts?

I dont believe you know what youre talking about.  Whatever does happen, sony is going to try with all their power to keep Sony alive.  I believe theyll be fine but yes they need to make changes. Removing Vaio was a good start and hopefully their restructure for the TV division will help as well as someone else mentioned, it has been their pillar.






       

Mystro-Sama said:

4. The gaming division is the best it's ever been and even broke their records form the PS2 days, not to mention PS Now. They'll easily generate billions here.

 

Thoughts?

Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

There is a 50% chance that PSNow will be a financial disaster.



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Macroaxis actually lowered their chances of Sony going bankrupt from 78% to 48%. I hope their restructuring works out.

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/market/SNE--Sony-Corporation



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Sony is never going to go bankrupt, the key is that they have lots of buildings out there to sell. Whenever things get too bad they just sell a building and bam, problem gone!



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Anfebious said:
Sony is never going to go bankrupt, the key is that they have lots of buildings out there to sell. Whenever things get too bad they just sell a building and bam, problem gone!

They sold a building, and then they bought a building. It's only 7 stories less. Sony doesn't need that much space. 

http://nypost.com/2013/09/16/sony-moving-to-11-madison-avenue/



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Sony's end seems unavoidable.
Certainly the Sony as we know it now.


This is a list of electronics companies by market capitalization (the company's total price if you want to buy the whole company.)

(All monetary values are in billions of dollars)

Rank Company Industry Market cap Headquarter

1. Apple Inc Electronics $453.03 Cupertino, CA
2. Google Internet $380.64 Mountain View, CA, USA
3. Microsoft Software $312.38 Redmond, WA, USA
4. IBM Computer services $187.95 Armonk, NY, USA
5. Samsung Electronics $183.97 Seoul,South Korea
6. Amazon.com Internet $160.49 Seattle, WA, USA
7. Toshiba Hardware/Software $125.83 Tokyo, Japan
8. Intel Semiconductor $119.1 Santa Clara, CA, USA
9. HP Hardware $32.46 Palo Alto, CA, USA
10. Hitachi Software Services $28.46 Japan
11. Foxconn Electronics $27.2 New Taipei, Taiwan
12. Dell Hardware $22.97 Austin, TX, USA
13. Panasonic Electronics $22.7 Osaka, Japan
14. Sony Electronics $17.6 Tokyo, Japan



Sony used to be on top of this list.
Besides, there is no bright plan that gives Sony a good prospect as a worldwide consumer electronics company.

This is a large article about Sony:


How Sony is turning into a ghost in Japan and around the world

http://kotaku.com/5960411/how-sony-is-turning-into-a-ghost-in-japan-and-around-the-world

"For some people in Japan, Sony is already dead. The only question they have is how did Sony die, or who killed it, and how long will the spectre of Sony remain haunting Japan. It's a pessimistic view of the company but it's one reality in this island country."

 

At my parents house we've always only had Sony tv's. So do I now. They day Sony stops making tvs, is the day the old Sony is officially dead, no matter how you want to deny it. Maybe Sony can prosper in a much smaller form in other market segments, but that will be a different Sony.



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That's true about PS4 making a better profit than PS2 off the bat. If I recall PS2 was sold a decent loss it's 1st year or 2.



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Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

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