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Should white people be allowed in the conversation of multiethnicity?

Yes-White people are multiethnic, too 52 70.27%
 
No - they don't understand the struggles 2 2.70%
 
I didn't even know this was a problem 13 17.57%
 
Total:67
kirby007 said:
kupomogli said:
kirby007 said:
kupomogli said:
If you're white and you speak up about racism from other nationalities, you're a racist and your opinion doesn't matter.

I'm serious.  You speak your opinion about racism and you're white, you're seen as being a racist rather than pointing out how you think other people are being racist.  Other races are able to be openly racist and then pull the race card whenever it benefits them.

As Leadified above me stated, better not to get involved.

ah yes no i agree, misintepret your first post


I thought the same thing as you. But yes, kupo is right. 



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badgenome said:
RCTjunkie said:

Should I even bother?

Not unless you enjoy constantly being told to "check your privilege" or want to be accused of "whitesplaining" every time you express a differing opinion.

youve been watching to much msnbc and melissa harris perry, havent you?



 

RCTjunkie said:

Precisely what I want.

I'm asking because it seems like there's a lot of backlash (at least at my school) when white people try to enter the conversation and "don't say the right things." Instead of discussion and correction, there's just more tension and yelling of how terrible and ignorant white people are. It's frusterating and divisive, at least to me.

How do your conversations about race relations usually end up? I'm curious. 

Like I said, you'll find no actual dialogue at a modern university because universities are - contrary to their reputations - no longer places for the free exchange of ideas. They are basically purveyors of the secular religion of victimhood at this point, and blasphemy dissent is frowned upon. The typical campus environment strongly encourages students to be as obnoxiously aggrieved as possible about their race, gender, sexual orientation, and what have you. The angrier you appear, the more credibility you're given.

If you want an actual conversation about thorny issues like race, look for it outside of that poisonous echo chamber. Preferably with people who actually have to work for a living and don't piss and moan about how bad off they are despite the fact that they're able to spend several years at what amounts to a live-in social club.



There are intolerant people in non white countries, as big a shock as this might come to some. Brutal gang wars in Mexico, civil wars in Syria, racism in Brazil where a lot of people are mixed races!, homosexuality being a crime in Iran punishable my death, womens rights in India, Uganda president saying gays are disgusting and proposing legislation against it, even people of Islamic faith in the middle east regulary clash between Sunnis and Shittes for hundreds of years, North Korea and South Korea and the list goes on.

I mean literally ever race across the world is completely fucked up, why would things be any different in a country with a mix of everybody. I think people today look to the US past in race relations, ignoring the blacks who sold each other into slavery and hold white people today accountable for that. I am white, my family on both sides immigrated here in the 1930's, we did not hold slaves and my grandparents were abused and worked up from nothing just like todays immigrants, they even had less benefits than we have today. There is some real racism on both sides, I don't deny it, but everybody gets lumped in with their respective race and that shouldn't be the case.

I never hear any complaints from Hispanic or Asian people oddly enough, it's like there's this ongoing feud between blacks and whites and each side points to the other as bad and meanwhile other nationalities come in and really don't have anything bad to say about either.

It reminds me of the time I asked out a girl and everything was going great until I mentioned I was Catholic, at which point she made an excuse to leave. She is Protestant and apparently there is some history of the two not liking each other, like centuries ago, I really didn't care or see the point at the time though I was a lot younger. She got married a few years later and got divorced last year, so much for that Protestant :) People don't know each other, they get caught up in history and apply the past to the present people.



MegaManX said:
There are intolerant people in non white countries, as big a shock as this might come to some. Brutal gang wars in Mexico, civil wars in Syria, racism in Brazil where a lot of people are mixed races!, homosexuality being a crime in Iran punishable my death, womens rights in India, Uganda president saying gays are disgusting and proposing legislation against it, even people of Islamic faith in the middle east regulary clash between Sunnis and Shittes for hundreds of years, North Korea and South Korea and the list goes on.

I mean literally ever race across the world is completely fucked up, why would things be any different in a country with a mix of everybody. I think people today look to the US past in race relations, ignoring the blacks who sold each other into slavery and hold white people today accountable for that. I am white, my family on both sides immigrated here in the 1930's, we did not hold slaves and my grandparents were abused and worked up from nothing just like todays immigrants, they even had less benefits than we have today. There is some real racism on both sides, I don't deny it, but everybody gets lumped in with their respective race and that shouldn't be the case.

I never hear any complaints from Hispanic or Asian people oddly enough, it's like there's this ongoing feud between blacks and whites and each side points to the other as bad and meanwhile other nationalities come in and really don't have anything bad to say about either.

It reminds me of the time I asked out a girl and everything was going great until I mentioned I was Catholic, at which point she made an excuse to leave. She is Protestant and apparently there is some history of the two not liking each other, like centuries ago, I really didn't care or see the point at the time though I was a lot younger. She got married a few years later and got divorced last year, so much for that Protestant :) People don't know each other, they get caught up in history and apply the past to the present people.

Protestants do not like Catholics because Catholics did not let Protestants practice their religion. That is basically what the United States was founded for. Not that, that is any reason to not like somebody but I will say there is no way I would date a girl who was a "real" Catholic. I just do not agree with  to much of the religion.



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SocialistSlayer said:

youve been watching to much msnbc and melissa harris perry, havent you?

Worse. I work at a university and have to deal with women's studies students all the time. It's all rape culture this and mansplaining that. Fucking insufferable.



badgenome said:
SocialistSlayer said:

youve been watching to much msnbc and melissa harris perry, havent you?

Worse. I work at a university and have to deal with women's studies students all the time. It's all rape culture this and mansplaining that. Fucking insufferable.


I feel for you :(     That is very annoying.



MegaManX said:
There are intolerant people in non white countries, as big a shock as this might come to some. Brutal gang wars in Mexico, civil wars in Syria, racism in Brazil where a lot of people are mixed races!, homosexuality being a crime in Iran punishable my death, womens rights in India, Uganda president saying gays are disgusting and proposing legislation against it, even people of Islamic faith in the middle east regulary clash between Sunnis and Shittes for hundreds of years, North Korea and South Korea and the list goes on.

I mean literally ever race across the world is completely fucked up, why would things be any different in a country with a mix of everybody. I think people today look to the US past in race relations, ignoring the blacks who sold each other into slavery and hold white people today accountable for that. I am white, my family on both sides immigrated here in the 1930's, we did not hold slaves and my grandparents were abused and worked up from nothing just like todays immigrants, they even had less benefits than we have today. There is some real racism on both sides, I don't deny it, but everybody gets lumped in with their respective race and that shouldn't be the case.

I never hear any complaints from Hispanic or Asian people oddly enough, it's like there's this ongoing feud between blacks and whites and each side points to the other as bad and meanwhile other nationalities come in and really don't have anything bad to say about either.

It reminds me of the time I asked out a girl and everything was going great until I mentioned I was Catholic, at which point she made an excuse to leave. She is Protestant and apparently there is some history of the two not liking each other, like centuries ago, I really didn't care or see the point at the time though I was a lot younger. She got married a few years later and got divorced last year, so much for that Protestant :) People don't know each other, they get caught up in history and apply the past to the present people.

I should say I agree with the rest of your post, Hispanics do not really complain (some Asians have a superiority factor though)



rolltide101x said:
MegaManX said:
There are intolerant people in non white countries, as big a shock as this might come to some. Brutal gang wars in Mexico, civil wars in Syria, racism in Brazil where a lot of people are mixed races!, homosexuality being a crime in Iran punishable my death, womens rights in India, Uganda president saying gays are disgusting and proposing legislation against it, even people of Islamic faith in the middle east regulary clash between Sunnis and Shittes for hundreds of years, North Korea and South Korea and the list goes on.

I mean literally ever race across the world is completely fucked up, why would things be any different in a country with a mix of everybody. I think people today look to the US past in race relations, ignoring the blacks who sold each other into slavery and hold white people today accountable for that. I am white, my family on both sides immigrated here in the 1930's, we did not hold slaves and my grandparents were abused and worked up from nothing just like todays immigrants, they even had less benefits than we have today. There is some real racism on both sides, I don't deny it, but everybody gets lumped in with their respective race and that shouldn't be the case.

I never hear any complaints from Hispanic or Asian people oddly enough, it's like there's this ongoing feud between blacks and whites and each side points to the other as bad and meanwhile other nationalities come in and really don't have anything bad to say about either.

It reminds me of the time I asked out a girl and everything was going great until I mentioned I was Catholic, at which point she made an excuse to leave. She is Protestant and apparently there is some history of the two not liking each other, like centuries ago, I really didn't care or see the point at the time though I was a lot younger. She got married a few years later and got divorced last year, so much for that Protestant :) People don't know each other, they get caught up in history and apply the past to the present people.

Protestants do not like Catholics because Catholics did not let Protestants practice their religion. That is basically what the United States was founded for. Not that, that is any reason to not like somebody but I will say there is no way I would date a girl who was a "real" Catholic. I just do not agree with  to much of the religion.


Well I have gotten myself more educated about various religions since then before I reaffirmed I made the right decision, so I understand where she was coming from.  While her decision makes sense to me now, I thought the whole situation at the time was insane but it was a first date so no harm.  I dated a Muslim girl at the time to, at the time it was just about meeting people and ultimately finding somebody for the long term.  But now, like you I would stay in my own religion for the same reason you described. 

Also I realize you were just being concise but the founding of the country was much more complicated and I would said a broader freedom of religion was ONE facet of our countries founding.  

I don't want to derail the thread though with a small story I told that was just there to show how we hold hold current generations responsible for sins of the past, even if in context it wasn't completely comparable.  



I'm not sure precisely what you're asking. If you are asking about entering general discussions regarding ethnicities, then of course White people should be able to do that. I see nothing inherently exclusive about topics regarding race. However, if you are asking about entering discussions specifically referring to certain social factors and their effects on individual races, then my answer would be different. If you feel you have something to contribute, then, again, you should be able to. If you don't feel you have anything to contribute - I'm not sure if this is what you mean - then you can still join the discussion, but I personally would not recommend it.

Also, if you are afraid of running into people such as the example in the OP, I would recommend you rethink your priorities. You really should not be interested in conversing with people who lack a basic level of maturity. Of course, this would affect my answer to your overall question as well. If the person with whom you would like to have a discussion with is reasonable, then you should be fine talking to them about anything. If they are unreasonable, then you may have to be careful to avoid unwarranted backlash; but in that case, I would wonder why you are interested in them in the first place.