eFKac said: gergroy said: Thats too bad, I like stealthy games. Ah well, infamous is coming out soon... Which is not a stealth game I haven't read the reviews cause I'm not interested in the game tbh, but aren't you people overreacting a bit? I mean over 70 is really a good score, it's not Goty candidate, sure, but not buying the game because of it or saying it's a bad score?

70's is not a good score by the scoring values used today.  It basically means it is average at best.  Besides, I dont have an unlimmited supply of time or money to buy and play every game that looks slightly intersting. 

I bet SE will blame it on the fans >.>

Well, I'm Italian and a huge Thief fan, but I don't agree with that score: from the limited infos I got, I'd have probably given it 75%.

From the mission beginning play-through video I watched, they simplified it a little too much, in the first three ones in no way Garrett could have advanced so fast without being discovered (Thief III was simplified in other ways, though, like climbing made a little bit too easy with the gloves, and rare items and weapons "spammed", and not rare anymore, although still a lot rarer than in most shooters). OTOH I appreciate the fact that they backpedalled on some things that have nothing to do with a Thief game (XP elements, in-game QTEs), otherwise I'd have lowered my score prediction. But had they kept it as hard as the first two, with better graphics and possibly even bigger mission levels, a bigger city and without the flaws of Thief III (slight simplification, that looks like it's present, and to a larger degree, in T4 too, as I wrote, and levels and town split in pieces, and luckily this should be solved forever), then it could have really been a candidate for a high 90s score for my tastes.

When it will be debugged and at a lower price, I'll surely buy it, despite the flaws I still see some good things in the level and mission design, but not now.

Thief is going to steel some money from poor customers... ;)

eFKac said: gergroy said: Thats too bad, I like stealthy games. Ah well, infamous is coming out soon... Which is not a stealth game I haven't read the reviews cause I'm not interested in the game tbh, but aren't you people overreacting a bit? I mean over 70 is really a good score, it's not Goty candidate, sure, but not buying the game because of it or saying it's a bad score?

After so many years, and the mild disappointment of Thief III (that despite all its flaws and simplifications, though, still was quite hard and forced the player to advance very carefully if he didn't want to be discovered), we expected it to come back to its full glory, without Thief III flaws and with all the advantages brought by large RAM and decent CPU and GPU. Instead, while the horrible splitting of levels that plagued Thief III should be solved forever, and unwelcome novelties were luckily canceled, there's still the flaw of oversimplification (evident from the speed  at which Garrett can advance without being discovered in a play-through they showed) and now the reviews say there are bugs and lack of polish (that hopefully they'll fix with future patches) and some levels are uninspired (and this won't be solved, although they could release better designed expansions later to make us forgive them for the worst levels).
I'll surely buy it, but not at release time, bugged and full-price: from the infos I got up until now, it isn't by any means going to be the best Thief, except for graphics, really the best ever in the series. For the rest, the best games of the series will remain Thief I and II, and this saddens me, Thief IV had the opportunity to become the best, or at least on a par with the previous best two, but it's going to be on a par with the worst, better than it in some things (mainly tied to XBox RAM limits that plagued Theif III on PC too), worse in others.

to be expected

You can shake your head all you want, but for starters you can start using what's inside of it to learn to comprehend what is alike and what is not.

Until publishers start getting heavily punished financially for the shit they are trying to pull off, while trying to ride the success of well established IPs, we'll be seeing lot more of this sort of nonsensical "reboots" in the future.

Almost 60 point gap. That's a huge gap in score for that game. For any game for that matter.

game never looked interesting, always wondered why it ever appealed to anyone.

knew it that it will suck at meta