First off, all of the games out for the PS4 are pretty much only at the break even point if that.  Sporting games being the obvious exception which sell like crazy every year and cost shit to make.  I may even be under-rating the development costs, I seem to recall the break even point for a triple A game being at least a million copies sold.  

Secondly, how many studios have to shut down before you are willing to admit that triple A development is ruining the industry.  Do you wanna play the games for the graphics or the gameplay because the higher the graphics go, the lower and crappier the gameplay gets.  Going all in on graphics works for the short term, until people realize the graphics aren't really any fun.  After a few games suddenly graphics become less and less important and the person loses interest in gaming.  

Thirdly, Irrational games is owned by the same company Rockstar is owned by.  They did develop for half a decade and still decided it was safer to go indie.  

And for me, when a developer who knows what he is doing and funds his own game with the money in his pocket, and then come out and say that he did an indie game like David Cage did, I do consider that an indie.

But yeah, "not indie bcuz paid marketing" is a great argument. You are right, the rest of us are all wrong.

However, it could be not true for every game published by Sony.

So you're basically saying that:

a) Sony lies from time to time.

b) Heavy Rain is indeed indie.

I agree with both.

Why are you getting all aggressive? I told you my definition of indie is different to yours. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. You should stop taking it to heart. Games like FEZ, Braid, Limbo and Super Meat Boy didn't get the same backing as Heavy Rain and that's the reason why I consider them to be indie and not Heavy Rain.

Doesn't Indie come from "Independant" ? I don't think you can call anything a Indie game that involves funding and a  exclusive contract with a publisher.

Fez went through MS marketing, and Phil Fish himself complained that the marketing campaign "had been poor", which was the reason for low sales.

And the game still got indie awards.

Super Meat Boy also got promotions from Microsoft. Braid is the only one that stood alone.

So I'm guessing by your definition that Fez and Super Meat Boy are not indie games, right? Ah, wait, is the amount of money on advertising what makes a game stop being indie! Stupid me.

Yep, Its true. They can't break the new game developments costs until the game sell 1million which needs very long time for the averge reviewed game now to reach and everyone expecting graphics more and more which is why the developers are trying that which costs more time because if the games they make will fall into one of the categories alreay known mostly so gamers expect better graphics and will avoid if its not mostly these days, otherwise they would focus on gameplay more, Story etc., 

So if I fund my own game and create it from scratch with a brand new built independent studio, and then ask Nintendo to publish the game once its finished, the game is not indie?

Apart from Remember Me, you don't know whether they flopped since you don't know the games' budget and revenue.