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An XBox1 talk show by you?

Sure, looks fun! 32 43.84%
 
Nah, I'll probably pass. 32 43.84%
 
I'll keep an eye on you,... 6 8.22%
 
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lucidium said:


If I ever find myself doing a job I hate I'll tell you, until then if making the videos is fun for you then just keep making them and build a fanbase from your content rather than how many forums you can fish for viewers on.

 

From my experiences with YouTube view performance the ones that are linked by friends or stumble on your videos themselves are the ones most likely to subscribe and give you the hits you need, forum viewers are more often than not once-or-twice hits.

 

Tldr; the strength of a YouTube channel is in its content not the number of forums you link spam.

Look, I know you think you're an educator, a form of sage wisdom that balances things with logic, but you don't understand things as well as you might think.

The reason I look to forums is because the feedback is direct.  If I just create content, no one's going to take the time to send me a message on YouTube or comment in my videos with useful feedback.  All they'll do is either hit the Like or Dislike button.  Forums provide the exact nature of what I'm looking for: discussion.  That's what they're for.

People give me ideas, they voice their opinions, they share something they normally wouldn't in the comment section of a YouTube video, and it's WHY the show has improved at such an alarming rate from its start: forums.  You like to call it like you "see it", but are jumping to many incorrect conclusions in the act of doing so.  It isn't about advertising, it's about the fact that many people find comfort in their forum of choice, and will voice opinions.  Some are useful, and some are useless (blatantly put, stuff like yours in this thread).

To prove your own point by using you as an example: I have actually noted your idea of putting gameplay somewhere in the background, either projected, or in a corner, and also noted your video about overexposing the background.  You know why you gave me that feedback in that first thread a couple months ago?  Because I posted about my show in this forum.  Would you have ever told me that idea if you found me on YouTube?  Nope.



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Another question, has this helped you meet any industry or notable gaming people? Has this benefitted you in any way beyond giving you a measure of fun and productivity?



stabface said:
Another question, has this helped you meet any industry or notable gaming people? Has this benefitted you in any way beyond giving you a measure of fun and productivity?

In its short time, I do have a business offer.  However, the business offer requires some thinking on my end, and so I haven't given a solid response to it yet.



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ZyroXZ2 said:

Look, I know you think you're an educator, a form of sage wisdom that balances things with logic, but you don't understand things as well as you might think.

The reason I look to forums is because the feedback is direct.  If I just create content, no one's going to take the time to send me a message on YouTube or comment in my videos with useful feedback.  All they'll do is either hit the Like or Dislike button.  Forums provide the exact nature of what I'm looking for: discussion.  That's what they're for.

People give me ideas, they voice their opinions, they share something they normally wouldn't in the comment section of a YouTube video, and it's WHY the show has improved at such an alarming rate from its start: forums.  You like to call it like you "see it", but are jumping to many incorrect conclusions in the act of doing so.  It isn't about advertising, it's about the fact that many people find comfort in their forum of choice, and will voice opinions.  Some are useful, and some are useless (blatantly put, stuff like yours in this thread).

To prove your own point by using you as an example: I have actually noted your idea of putting gameplay somewhere in the background, either projected, or in a corner, and also noted your video about overexposing the background.  You know why you gave me that feedback in that first thread a couple months ago?  Because I posted about my show in this forum.  Would you have ever told me that idea if you found me on YouTube?  Nope.

Your idea stood a fighting chance originally, because the lack of popularity has made the WiiU a bit of a niche console, as such focusing on it gives you an edge you otherwise do not have, expanding into the other consoles puts you in the firing line of other content creators who are, frankly, better equipped and better supported.

And no, I gave you the advice in the original thread because it actually seemed like you had something worthwhile going, be it, roughly, now...  lets just say i'm not going to hold my breath, a lot of others here are thinking the same thing, no doubt, they're just too nice to say anything.

Please don't waste your time replying to me, we aren't going to come to an agreement here, our opinions on the matter are both as strong as each others and exact polar opposites.



lucidium said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

Look, I know you think you're an educator, a form of sage wisdom that balances things with logic, but you don't understand things as well as you might think.

The reason I look to forums is because the feedback is direct.  If I just create content, no one's going to take the time to send me a message on YouTube or comment in my videos with useful feedback.  All they'll do is either hit the Like or Dislike button.  Forums provide the exact nature of what I'm looking for: discussion.  That's what they're for.

People give me ideas, they voice their opinions, they share something they normally wouldn't in the comment section of a YouTube video, and it's WHY the show has improved at such an alarming rate from its start: forums.  You like to call it like you "see it", but are jumping to many incorrect conclusions in the act of doing so.  It isn't about advertising, it's about the fact that many people find comfort in their forum of choice, and will voice opinions.  Some are useful, and some are useless (blatantly put, stuff like yours in this thread).

To prove your own point by using you as an example: I have actually noted your idea of putting gameplay somewhere in the background, either projected, or in a corner, and also noted your video about overexposing the background.  You know why you gave me that feedback in that first thread a couple months ago?  Because I posted about my show in this forum.  Would you have ever told me that idea if you found me on YouTube?  Nope.

Your idea stood a fighting chance originally, because the lack of popularity has made the WiiU a bit of a niche console, as such focusing on it gives you an edge you otherwise do not have, expanding into the other consoles puts you in the firing line of other content creators who are, frankly, better equipped and better supported.

And no, I gave you the advice in the original thread because it actually seemed like you had something worthwhile going, be it, roughly, now...  lets just say i'm not going to hold my breath, a lot of others here are thinking the same thing, no doubt, they're just too nice to say anything.

If that was the case, they would have unsubscribed by now.  Sure, YOU don't like it, but so far, until that's the majority opinion, it's not worth me worrying about.  Not everyone will stick around, not everyone will like it, but the last thing ANYONE doing ANYTHING in life should be worrying about is the people telling them to stop doing what they love doing.  I will make the distinction if or when to quit if the signs are clear, not you or your opinion on the matter.

I don't even like the word "haters" (it sounds really juvenile, ya know?), but that is essentially what you're turning into.  You really have no reason to try and rain on my parade, and even if there are a handful of others who feel the same, it seems they have the basic understanding of "if you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything at all".  If you hate my episodes, put a Dislike on it and move on!  If you can't even muster the effort to Dislike a video, then why waste the time being condescending with me?  That's a rhetorical question, I hope you don't try to answer that, lol



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ZyroXZ2 said:

Sure, YOU don't like it, but so far, until that's the majority opinion, it's not worth me worrying about. 

ZyroXZ2 said:

You really have no reason to try and rain on my parade, and even if there are a handful of others who feel the same

Until it's a majority opinion you won't worry about it, but whenever anyone speaks up you call them haters and stick your fingers in your ears, as such even if those that think the same and say nothing, also spoke out, you would lump them in with "haters" and "jealous" rather than "worry about it", it's a contradiction I have seen all too often, you call me, be it in an around the houses way, a "hater", yet i have offered advice in almost every post to you I have made, however as it's advice that isn't the sort you want to hear you take it as an attack, and use the idea that I'm simply a "hater", "jealous" or a "troll" to avoid dealing with it.

This inability to accept criticism (be it, in the blunt and up front form) is the reason you will not succeed.

The real irony is the post I made about normal work being a more viable source of income which set you off, was aimed at Stabface, not you.

If you prove me wrong and become big someday, I will personally appologise and admit to being wrong, however I feel pretty confident that such a time will never come. Regardless of if you listen or not, good luck to you and your projects.



lucidium said:

Until it's a majority opinion you won't worry about it, but whenever anyone speaks up you call them haters and stick your fingers in your ears, as such even if those that think the same and say nothing, also spoke out, you would lump them in with "haters" and "jealous" rather than "worry about it", it's a contradiction I have seen all too often, you call me, be it in an around the houses way, a "hater", yet i have offered advice in almost every post to you I have made, however as it's advice that isn't the sort you want to hear you take it as an attack, and use the idea that I'm simply a "hater", "jealous" or a "troll" to avoid dealing with it.

This inability to accept criticism (be it, in the blunt and up front form) is the reason you will not succeed.

If you prove me wrong and become big someday, I will personally appologise and admit to being wrong, however I feel pretty confident that such a time will never come. Regardless of if you listen or not, good luck to you and your projects.

Uhm, please, show me where your "criticism" is?

Exactly.  You just post about how you think I'm annoying (essentially), THAT'S why I'm plugging my ears with you.  The only time I listened to you is when you brought up useful opinions, ONCE.  You haven't done so since.



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ZyroXZ2 said:

Uhm, please, show me where your "criticism" is?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6110446
Addressing your method of gathering "feedback" which differs very little from the same methodology small-time bloggers use for cheap hits, this is of course backed up by my experience in the matter with the following statement.

"From my experiences with YouTube view performance the ones that are linked by friends or stumble on your videos themselves are the ones most likely to subscribe and give you the hits you need, forum viewers are more often than not once-or-twice hits."

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6110528
Here I bring up the dilution of your coverage based on how it effects your target audience or rather how it puts your channel in the firing line of competing channels, highlighting that you actually had a fighting chance when you were exclusive to WiiU news and reviews as there isnt as much competition in WiiU exclusive coverage.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6110551
And here I address your inability to take the criticism you claim doesn't exist in the above two examples, despite it being there, clear as day.

ZyroXZ2 said:

Exactly.  You just post about how you think I'm annoying (essentially), THAT'S why I'm plugging my ears with you.  The only time I listened to you is when you brought up useful opinions, ONCE.  You haven't done so since.

For someone plugging their ears, you certainly enjoy responding to my every post regardless of if you see it as an attack or not.



Hmmmm. Its so hostile in here.



deskpro2k3 said:
Hmmmm. Its so hostile in here.

He's been like that with me from the start, lol



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