Nintendo launched with just as much 1st party Titles with 3 Ubisoft games. Still lower percentage at launch. (5%) Hes right, 1st party has nothing to do with it, its the fact that Nintendo Wii U fans dont support 3rd party multiplats. Its a shame that every conversation about Wii U 3rd party games bring up Zombie U and Rayman Legends, yet the sales are abysmall compared to your precious 1st party games.

Thought as much.

no you are moving goalposts and your argument still fails, hard. Tell my what open world pirate games did Ninty make? Hell besides platformers teh games Ubi make arent even in the same genre as what Ninty makes. SO why did Wii U owners NOT buy these games? Its not like there was an alternative.

Zombi U was the 3rd best selling game but still flopped, youre not making WIi U look good.

But had they not brought those games people would have complained that Ubi doesnt support Wii U. They cant win.

I have to disagree. There's only so many excuses one can make. We've seen tons of bad ports doing well in other consoles (wasn't bayonetta bad on ps3 and sold the best?), expensive ports (Mass Effect 2 doing well on ps3 despite being a late, expensive port AND the players having no save files to carry to the next game; this was a huge deal as it affected the story), mediocre games doing well etc.

ZombieU is not a big achievement, since it was heavily bundled much like Knack. I think in Europe where it wasn't bundled it did terrible (or the other way around). Point being, part of the reason ps3 got almost all multiplatform games (depsite not doing well at first) is that first party games don't do that well on sony consoles. Conversely, first paty games do extremely well on ninty consoles. IMO most of the people who bought wiiu, bought it for first party games and don't care much for "hardcore" games. By hardcore, I mean dudebro 18+ games or dark games. They seem to prefer more family orientated games. I honestly don't blame 3rd parties for not doing anything more. 

Anyway, my point is that not all the games that don't do well are bad in any way and even if they are bad and all the wiiu owners are smarter than everyone else, publishers have no reason to risk releasing their games on wiiu. Speaking of bugs, wasn't Skyrim full of them and unplayable for some people on ps3? Yet it sold extremely well. Not everyone follows forums and knows of the problems that a certain games has or knows that there is no dlc coming for the game and decides not to buy the game. I find such excuses ridiculous (especially the "no dlc" one). 

If this thread reduces itself to mere name-calling i'll lock it and start the bans.

name calling? He didnt even point out anyone particular. Hell he just said denial, you cant call someone "denial"

"I have to disagree. There's only so many excuses one can make. We've seen tons of bad ports doing well in other consoles (wasn't bayonetta bad on ps3 and sold the best?), expensive ports (Mass Effect 2 doing well on ps3 despite being a late, expensive port AND the players having no save files to carry to the next game; this was a huge deal as it affected the story), mediocre games doing well etc."

Bad comparison because of time period release and multiple other reasons. Bayonetta was released in its 3rd year in the console. Second Sony fans (not saying all ) tend to buy broken games (skyrim). Third most of bayonetta sales came when the price dropped to $20 in the 4th year. Game did not live up Sega desires because of this. 

Mass effect released in 2012. That is 6 years on the market the (ps3). I believe it even came before the trilogy. 

You have use direct comparisons with games under the same conditions. If you ever did an experiment you know the method.

My point is not all third party sell bad only specific type.

"They seem to prefer more family orientated games."

I agree with this. No argument from me. Dudebro 18+ are not the market nintendo made for themselves therefor they don't sell as well.

"skyrim point"

Different market have different standards. Lot's of custumors who had bad experiences could determine to buy games from developers they trust. PC has environment similar to this. Some developers died because custumors lost faith in them. 

the only thing for that would really impact any wii u owner with rayman would be a delay going multiplatform doesn't impact any of them and for ubi delaying the release so they can market all at once for a games that tends to sell low at first and drop in price relatively quick it allows them to maximise the sales at full price on a wider market all the while the wii u owners had what many consider the best version of the game.

it doesn't take a generation. what 3rd part dev sold better on the wii? ubi showed support to the wii and have games on the wii u. There just isn't a much of a base on the wii u now and those that are there are much more into nintendos first party at the moment.

chicken or the egg? if the wii u owners will as you say not buy the quality because of delays, games going multiplatform and the sins of other devs, what's the point, where is the ROI? if devs don't think they will get the sales they won't put the games there.

No. They expected the wii u to sell more and to make more sales on that increased user base.

So you're saying you wouldn't care at all if a great Ubisoft exclusive game got delayed for 7 months just so it could release simultaneously on the PS3 and XBOX360. After that they delayed a multiplat game just for your console.

Please don't be a hypocrite, if Ubisoft did this to PS3 or XBOX360 userbase they would've stormed Ubisoft's main office by now.