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SvennoJ on 07 February 2014
DarkD said:
The final step off the platform for the console system is gonna be when it merges with the TV. Same with the Blu-Ray Player and DVD Player, and the cable box, and the DVR. They've been capable of doing it for years now but they don't because they can make more money selling them all seperately. After that, the computer will merge with the TV and it will all be controlled from your couch. Whether you wanna use a controller or a keyboard and mouse will be up to you, but individual console manufacturers will be history.

Think of it like Steam and napster/iTunes. They murdered software retailers like GAME, EB Games, Future Shop, BestBuy, HMV, when they started selling their stuff over the internet. It was something they had been capable of doing for ages but no one wanted to do it because they make more money off of it this way. Their millions of dollars of retail stores became obsolete overnight because of them. Steam however is doing fine, but they are putting A LOT of people out of business. Whoever does do it will make a fortune though.

It's been the opposite way though with tvs. The tuner in the tv is useless nowadays, cable box is what you need. The tv will stay separate from the cable box, I don't see a standard delivery format happening. Game systems merging with cable boxes also doesn't seem to be feasible.

Ofcourse the cable box might disappear altogether and be replaced with full internet delivery. Everything streamed to the tv in a fully digital world. When the internet is finally ready for that without perceptible lag, it will still leave room for dedicated consoles. There are plenty people like me that like to own physical copies of games and movies. I still buy cds, and they are still widely available despite Napster and iTunes.
Computer on the couch is debatable too. That has also been possible for a long time, but a desktop or laptop on a table is a lot more convenient.

Steam did (alnmost) kill off physical pc games (you can still get them, but shelf space is very limited nowadays) Also a reason why I primarily game on consoles nowadays. Steam is great for the sales, but I've never bought a game on release from Steam unless it's sub $10. I've actually been buying physical copies of digital psn games I already own. As long as the market is there for physical copies, which means dedicated consoles, there will always be a place for them.



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pokoko on 07 February 2014
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
The only Company I can see doing that is Nintendo cause they are soo stubborn (for better or for worse)... Yahtzee said it best "WiiU is the only gaming console to remain a gaming console this gen vs sub-par gaming pc, multimedia platform and streaming device humancentipied together" (Not word for word but it was funny the way he said it)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/8591-Super-Mario-3D-World

Its quite funny, he doesn't bash on ps4 or x1 or anything, its just funny what he says, u guys should watch it

What he said is kind of dumb.  Gaming consoles have always been computers with controllers attached.  Because the PS4 and XO have more structural similarities with most personal computers means nothing.  90% of the people who buy game consoles have no more idea about that than they know the heart of the Wii was a PowerPC CPU.  That's just someone trying to bend perception.  It's meaningless.

A gaming console is a computer that is designed first and foremost for the purpose of playing games.  That fits the Wii U, PS4, Xbox One, Vita, and 3DS.  The real-world differences are minor.  They're all bloody gaming consoles.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 07 February 2014
pokoko said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
The only Company I can see doing that is Nintendo cause they are soo stubborn (for better or for worse)... Yahtzee said it best "WiiU is the only gaming console to remain a gaming console this gen vs sub-par gaming pc, multimedia platform and streaming device humancentipied together" (Not word for word but it was funny the way he said it)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/8591-Super-Mario-3D-World

Its quite funny, he doesn't bash on ps4 or x1 or anything, its just funny what he says, u guys should watch it

What he said is kind of dumb.  Gaming consoles have always been computers with controllers attached.  Because the PS4 and XO have more structural similarities with most personal computers means nothing.  90% of the people who buy game consoles have no more idea about that than they know the heart of the Wii was a PowerPC CPU.  That's just someone trying to bend perception.  It's meaningless.

A gaming console is a computer that is designed first and foremost for the purpose of playing games.  That fits the Wii U, PS4, Xbox One, Vita, and 3DS.  The real-world differences are minor.  They're all bloody gaming consoles.

Don't actually take anything he says seriously, its mostly comedy... Its his opinion and he does bring out valid points from time to time but its all mostly comedy... Heck, he hated Super Smash Bros and Didn't like The Last of Us but loved Mario Galaxy and some Sony game I can't remember (I think its uncharted) so his opinions are over the place. People should watch his videos for laughs and not to take things too seriously



                  

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pokoko on 08 February 2014
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
pokoko said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
The only Company I can see doing that is Nintendo cause they are soo stubborn (for better or for worse)... Yahtzee said it best "WiiU is the only gaming console to remain a gaming console this gen vs sub-par gaming pc, multimedia platform and streaming device humancentipied together" (Not word for word but it was funny the way he said it)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/8591-Super-Mario-3D-World

Its quite funny, he doesn't bash on ps4 or x1 or anything, its just funny what he says, u guys should watch it

What he said is kind of dumb.  Gaming consoles have always been computers with controllers attached.  Because the PS4 and XO have more structural similarities with most personal computers means nothing.  90% of the people who buy game consoles have no more idea about that than they know the heart of the Wii was a PowerPC CPU.  That's just someone trying to bend perception.  It's meaningless.

A gaming console is a computer that is designed first and foremost for the purpose of playing games.  That fits the Wii U, PS4, Xbox One, Vita, and 3DS.  The real-world differences are minor.  They're all bloody gaming consoles.

Don't actually take anything he says seriously, its mostly comedy... Its his opinion and he does bring out valid points from time to time but its all mostly comedy... Heck, he hated Super Smash Bros and Didn't like The Last of Us but loved Mario Galaxy and some Sony game I can't remember (I think its uncharted) so his opinions are over the place. People should watch his videos for laughs and not to take things too seriously

Ah, gotcha.  I didn't watch the video, I was just responding to the quote.  I have read people say similar things and be serious about it.



DarkD on 08 February 2014
SvennoJ said:
DarkD said:
The final step off the platform for the console system is gonna be when it merges with the TV. Same with the Blu-Ray Player and DVD Player, and the cable box, and the DVR. They've been capable of doing it for years now but they don't because they can make more money selling them all seperately. After that, the computer will merge with the TV and it will all be controlled from your couch. Whether you wanna use a controller or a keyboard and mouse will be up to you, but individual console manufacturers will be history.

Think of it like Steam and napster/iTunes. They murdered software retailers like GAME, EB Games, Future Shop, BestBuy, HMV, when they started selling their stuff over the internet. It was something they had been capable of doing for ages but no one wanted to do it because they make more money off of it this way. Their millions of dollars of retail stores became obsolete overnight because of them. Steam however is doing fine, but they are putting A LOT of people out of business. Whoever does do it will make a fortune though.

It's been the opposite way though with tvs. The tuner in the tv is useless nowadays, cable box is what you need. The tv will stay separate from the cable box, I don't see a standard delivery format happening. Game systems merging with cable boxes also doesn't seem to be feasible.

Ofcourse the cable box might disappear altogether and be replaced with full internet delivery. Everything streamed to the tv in a fully digital world. When the internet is finally ready for that without perceptible lag, it will still leave room for dedicated consoles. There are plenty people like me that like to own physical copies of games and movies. I still buy cds, and they are still widely available despite Napster and iTunes.
Computer on the couch is debatable too. That has also been possible for a long time, but a desktop or laptop on a table is a lot more convenient.

Steam did (alnmost) kill off physical pc games (you can still get them, but shelf space is very limited nowadays) Also a reason why I primarily game on consoles nowadays. Steam is great for the sales, but I've never bought a game on release from Steam unless it's sub $10. I've actually been buying physical copies of digital psn games I already own. As long as the market is there for physical copies, which means dedicated consoles, there will always be a place for them.

The only reason more boxes have been coming into existance is because its more profitable that way.  The only limit for any of these boxes is space, and the TV has a lot of extra space.  Reasons why things aren't integrated with the TV are as follows:

1) They make more money selling a dozen individual boxes

2) Upgrading would be difficult on a unified television box.  It would need to be like a PC where you can swap out parts, but that's not consumer friendly.

3) The price point would be very high right now

4) It would cut the need for employees down a lot.



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bucky1965 on 08 February 2014

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