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Hynad on 05 February 2014
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Shinobi-san on 05 February 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:

It is but not as much as some users in here are claiming. 


According to some users its a bigger disparity than Original Xbox and PS2. :-p


The gap isnt bigger. Buts its the most fitting historical comparison imo.



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platformmaster918 on 05 February 2014
LemonSlice said:
DD_Bwest said:
Gaf is also saying "liquid" is probably a bad translation and is probably meant to be "fluid" 30fps lol

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deskpro2k3 on 05 February 2014
Shinobi-san said:
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Shinobi-san on 05 February 2014
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Raven722 said:


The cloud is being used to run cannon fodder AI and simple commands to your titan when you're not in it. Convince me that can only happen with the cloud.

So your argument is that things will get better for the X1 rather than the other way around simply because Microsoft is a software company and you read certain articles.

Tell me how it will be the opposite?

Are you a developer? 

Do you code?

Do you know how optimization works?

Have you seen what the cloud can do? if so, what? if not then your point in invalid. 

It is clear who does software better and it isn't sony. Sony does indeed know how to do hardware -- fact! It's what they do. 

ooooh me me me! Can i take this test

Are you a developer? 

Yes

Do you code?

Yes i like know design patterns and shit

Do you know how optimization works?

Yes i use a case statement instead of a nested if (LOL)

Have you seen what the cloud can do? if so, what? if not then your point in invalid.

Yes I've seen the cloud! I really have! The cloud can do everything and anything that your PC can do and more! Just dont forget that its over a network!



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DeadBigfoot21 on 05 February 2014
Raven722 said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Raven722 said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Raven722 said:
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deskpro2k3 said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
I wonder what happened to that power? 50% more? i dont see it

30fps....and 50% more power.

At least i hope the gameplay is at least good.


Big difference between 720p and 1080p. Do you have a 1080p HDTV? And I'm not talking about a small size one.

The differences are very minor. 

I've compared them both on 2 tv's. 

Both tv's are 1080p. Only hardcore fans see what they want to see. 

The differences are very minor even after being "50% stronger" as most claim. 

Of course exclusives always look better and both will have them. I just find it funny how "the other side" seems to believe the ps4 is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times stronger than the xbox one. Thats how they portray it but it isn't reality. 


The difference will become more noticeable as time goes on. We're already seeing games like Tomb Raider where the framerate is considerably lower and that was basically a last gen title with a fresh coat of paint. I wouldn't harp too much on the "50% power claim" when all of us are still waiting "for the truth to come out" and where exactly the "infinite power of the cloud" is.

Its not just the hardware that makes pretty games. You need good software. Optimizing plays an important role just as much as hardware. Microsoft is a software corporation and i have read in articles that the xbox one has better development tools and will get the best optimizations. I believe because its what microsoft does -- software. Games will only get better for both but i wont be surprised if we start seeing more games at 1080p @ 60fps on xbox one within a year. There are already like 7-8 that run at 1080p and 60fps on xbox one. 

The cloud is already being used in some games but the first major game to use it is titan fall. We will see it next month. 


The cloud is being used to run cannon fodder AI and simple commands to your titan when you're not in it. Convince me that can only happen with the cloud.

So your argument is that things will get better for the X1 rather than the other way around simply because Microsoft is a software company and you read certain articles.

Tell me how it will be the opposite?

Are you a developer? 

Do you code?

Do you know how optimization works?

Have you seen what the cloud can do? if so, what? if not then your point in invalid. 

It is clear who does software better and it isn't sony. Sony does indeed know how to do hardware -- fact! It's what they do. 

So you don't have anything to convince me on how the cloud makes it better other than to tell me I just don't know how it works? Brilliant. We've had AI in plenty of multiplayer games well before this whole cloud platform Microsoft and its fans push. You're going to be terribly disappointed this generation where the cloud is concerned.

Microsoft's software history won't make up for hardware differences. The supposedly better development tools didn't stop Call of Duty and Battlefield from running in lower native resolutions and it didn't stop Tomb Raider from running in lower framerates. How many more games have to release and be technically inferior on the X1 before you get it?

Optimization doesn't work from night to day, im sure of that. How does Forza 5 run in 1080p @ 60fps? Need for speed? tomb raider? Dying light is suppose to run in 1080 aswell and so is alien isolation. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/alien-isolation-runs-in-1080p-on-xbox-one-and-playstation-4/1100-6417012/

Those studios probably know how to optimize or are getting similar with the hardware. 

It was the same case with the ps3 when it first launched. How long did it take for developers to start making good looking games? 

The cloud has been explained by Respawn plenty of times. http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/   

Read it if you haven't. The AI in titan fall is suppose to be "smarter" AI because they are using the cloud. 



Solid-Stark on 05 February 2014

That's perfectly fine with me.



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deskpro2k3 on 05 February 2014

I thought everyone already knew the cloud is best used for AI, and not for rendering graphics? It seems to work better for online games anyways.

The Order 1886 is single player, and as far as I know its not an online game so it doesn't need those stuff.



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Trunkin on 05 February 2014
Raven722 said:
Trunkin said:
Raven722 said:
Trunkin said:
Raven722 said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
deskpro2k3 said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
I wonder what happened to that power? 50% more? i dont see it

30fps....and 50% more power.

At least i hope the gameplay is at least good.


Big difference between 720p and 1080p. Do you have a 1080p HDTV? And I'm not talking about a small size one.

The differences are very minor. 

I've compared them both on 2 tv's. 

Both tv's are 1080p. Only hardcore fans see what they want to see. 

The differences are very minor even after being "50% stronger" as most claim. 

Of course exclusives always look better and both will have them. I just find it funny how "the other side" seems to believe the ps4 is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times stronger than the xbox one. Thats how they portray it but it isn't reality. 


The difference will become more noticeable as time goes on. We're already seeing games like Tomb Raider where the framerate is considerably lower and that was basically a last gen title with a fresh coat of paint. I wouldn't harp too much on the "50% power claim" when all of us are still waiting "for the truth to come out" and where exactly the "infinite power of the cloud" is.

Why would the diference increase over time, rather than decreasing or just staying the same?

Also, I doubt we'll be seeing the infinite power of the cloud until the end of this gen. If it does exist at well.


As games become more complicated and demand more power the X1 will fall behind. More corners will need to be cut to achieve playability. At best things will stay the same but that still means a lot more games down the road with lower resolutions, framerate, or both on the X1. The only way it will decrease is if developers intentionally make both versions the exact same from here on out and do nothing to make use of the extra power. So far it looks like developers are more interested in pushing rather than settling.

But wouldn't similar compromises have to be made on the ps4 as well when games reach that point?  After all, we're already seeing some compromises, and the gen just started.(BF4 900p, The Order 30fps). So wed be seeing 720p-900p/30-60fps as the norm on the ps4, and 540p to 720p/24-50fps on the One, leaving the gap the same, no?

No. Because development is not that clear cut and dry. There are a lot of factors that go into it. Is the CPU needed more for this game or is it the GPU? Is the RAM type a big factor here? What does the architecture allow for? Were the dev tools adequate? Did the team get laid enough? You get the point. If a game is developed that makes good utilization of a part of the consoles in which the PS4 excels in then you'll see those games looking better over time because as the games become more GPU dependent corners will need to be cut on the X1. The differences don't follow one straight line.

Well, the differences in the systems seem pretty clear cut to me. From the into that's been revealed, they both use PC architecture, and their specs are basically identical, but the ps4 has gddr5 RAM and a superior GPU. We also know that BF4(and most games, really) is largely GPU reliant, at least on PC. Based on that info, its safe to assume that the performance differences we see with BF4 at the very least are thanks to the PS4's GPU and RAM advantage, right? You say that games will become even more GPU dependant in the future, but what is it that you base this assumption on? Exactly what kind of games are going to showcase this gap increase? Physics heavy? Open world?

As for Dev tools/ working environment, it's hard to know much. Going back to the bf4 example, though, I think based on the issues the game had, it was probably rushed, developed with early hardware and immature Dev tools. That affects both consoles, though, and ( based on rumors , yes) the One's tools were apparently less mature than the ps4's anyway.



J_Allard on 05 February 2014

Cool, seems 30 frames is acceptable again.