@Munkeh111 - Well you do have quite a load time right at the start of the game.

Meh, if I had a PS3, I wouldn't mind that much.
I actually think it's kind of better.
I'm the type of guy who does not keep files for very long and after I delete them, I don't miss them. I won't keep a gameplay trailer in my 360 harddrive after I downloaded it from XBLM and watched it. I always seem to have room, and when I do get a PS3, it's going to be the premium (120GB+ or whatever), so space isn't an issue. Damn, time isn't an issue either, I could wait 20 minutes before I start playing a game. I usually spend that much time reading the game manual before I play!

Thanks for reading :)

Come on people.
Whether you love your PS3 or not, this is not good for gamers.
Is this necessary? Why are programmers doing this to gamers?
At least give us a choice.
This will not deter me from getting a PS3, but it is still very annoying.

Oh my god, games get installed on hdd's to run smoother and faster. Damm those terrible publishers for maximizing performance in a way that the PS3 allows.

I want my games to stutter and have framedrops instead of installing a few gb to help improve overall performance. Loading a game should also take forever as it prolongs my gaming experience. I didn't pay 70 Euro to be robbed of my minute long waits for a game to boot from disc.

lol that's the spirit, how dare them.

Oh by the way, I looked at how much space the PC version of Gears of War takes up from it's minimum requirements. If you think 5 gigs is rough for the PS3, try installing Gears of War and notice it's required 12gigs of space. Heck, Crysis requires 12gigs too and Call of Duty 4 is 8gigs.

2. That's an example of the kind of attitude which drives many people away from the PS3.

3. Oh is it? I think I remember ioi saying that about 40% of PS3s purchased nowadays in USA are the 40 GB model, are you saying that almost 40% of PS3's recent userbase don't use it for gaming? Got any sources?

 becasue Uncharted might have been beautiful but there was a ton of repeating textures through out so there wasnt a ton of different objects to load. Honestly users could easily just delete the data as the beat the games. Simple. But most games have installs. Resistance's install is ike 700Mb, COD4 I could have sworn has a small file to install. It's all a matter of how much crap needs to be streamed at once. Motorstorm very well needs a 2GB install to improve loadtimes. Simple fact is these might be larger installs then most but most have installs. Just delete data as you beat games or jsut upgrade the HDD. Or by an external HDD, a 1TB external drive is only $200 - $250.

2- I'd like to know how well the 360's hard drives sell for comparison. If gamers don't like to change out their hard drives, how many people have purchased the 360 20gig and 120gig hard drives? If a 360 owner knows that they could use more space and purchases a larger hard drive, why can't a PS3 owner do it as well?

3- I'm going to stay away from this one.

 An external hard drive will work, but mainly for the media use of the PS3. I don't think you can install any game demo's or gamedata onto an external hard drive. However, you can backup your saved game data and I think you'd be able to use the PS3's backup feature as well for an external HDD.  

 2. it also drives away people from the 360 too then. Microsoft charge $60 more then it needed to on a 120GB HDD was rather pointless.

3. Please see homemediamagazine.com's current Blu-ray vs HD-DVD market share cart. The 40GB PS3 was the cheapest Blu-ray payer when released.