sc94597 said:
Rab said:
sc94597 said:
Rab said:
NightDragon83 said: That some folks out there have more money than others? Right, like THAT'S never happened before in human history. T |
Look to science to answer that one
In most of Human existence (100,000 years) we have had little wealth inequality (hunter gather culture) people would share most resources mostly evenly, it's only roughly in the past 5000 years where moderate to high levels of wealth inequality has become common
Lets not kid ourselves we have evolved with sharing most resources most of the time, that's' how we survived to later become the dominated species of Earth, it's part of who we are, we naturally don't like it when others get far more than us, we accept it once we are conditioned, but we naturally feel most comfortable when people are mostly equal to each other.
Since agriculture we have changed this basic principle into one where some have a lot more resources than others, and the ones with the most resources often use it to control the ones with less, creating social problems because people feel less looked after and feel less valued unlike in our hunter gather ancestors who felt valued because they mostly shared in the spoils of the hunting and gathering
I don't blame people for thinking we have always have to live with inequality, it because it's all we have know and are conditioned to it, but the reality for vast periods of Human culture is that is was very different and equatable, our Human DNA has evolved to work best and happiest in as close to an equatable society as possible
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By this logic, should we revert to tribalism and hunter-gatherer life-styles? I'm pretty sure NightDragon's point wasn't that sharing common resources hasn't existed, but as an alternative wealth-inequality and capitalism exist, just as naturally as the first. Anybody literate in economics would know that with a flat, centralized, redistribution of resources productivity would not only fail to pick up, there would be no reason to (hence tribal lifestyles.)
As for the bolded, I do wish to see biological, psychological, sociological, or economic data which substantiates your statement, otherwise it's just a conjecture.
As for the underlined, how in the world do you know this? Have you spoken with them?
As for italics, please cite the biological source that the need for equality is a genetic feature found in all human beings, otherwise, stop making unsubstantiated claims as if they were facts.
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As for going back to a Hunter gather life style (not really tribalism), I don't think we ever could unless everything be build up so far crumbled, but it's very important to know where we have come from, some still live as Hunter Gatherers even today which has been invaluable to research related to our ancestors
Fact is we have evolved from a different set of conditions that we mostly no longer find ourselves in any more, this can effect our well being and happiness in many ways, at least understanding this gives us the chance to improve the way we run our societies to best suit our DNA, much like trying to improve a Zoo to best suit an animals natural needs
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Hunter-gather societies were tribal ones. If you weren't part of the tribe, you were not taken care of. While nature is very important in determining human happiness, we can't forget the feedback social progress has made. Just as there are genes, which affect our preference, we also have memes (see: Richard Dawkins) and these memes help us evolve our social behavior. It is very simplistic to limit the perspective of social well-being on solely genetic history.
Secondly, in nature we see hierarchies. Many of our cousin apes form hierarchial groupings, with an alpha. Furthermore, we also observe the concept of property. Cats and Wolves have "territories." The same holds true for primmates. One can say that our the want to own property is in our nature just as one can say altruism is. However, what is not natural is the entity which we call the state. And to use the state for altruistic purposes (or to enforce property rights) is going against natural order. If we were to adhere strictly to our natural behavior, we'd allow for spontaneous order to take place. As it currently is, we do not follow spontaneous order, but try to consciously structure groups and societies.
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