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ioi said:

I find the whole point and angle of this thread a little confusing.

Firstly, Nintendo makes more money than the gaming divisions of Sony and Microsoft combined so they won't be going anywhere any time soon.

Secondly, as others have said, no gaming company or indeed gaming itself is THAT important and everything can and usually will be replaced eventually. In a hypothetical situation in which Nintendo went bankrupt (which will never happen on their cash reserves alone) then all of their employees would obviously find work elsewhere so their games would live on in other forms.

If you are trying to somehow objectively quantify the contribution and importance of gaming companies in the industry then it is very hard not to place Nintendo as number one by any metric that you choose. They have sold far more games than any other publisher, won more awards, dominate every "best ever" poll and are more financially successful than all other publishers by a long long way. Those are hard facts.

There aren't any other forms of entertainment I can think of that have been dominated so much by one company for so long. On that basis, I would personally say yes, they are THAT important.

Not to piggyback or anything, but this pretty much summed up my thoughts on the subject. Especially your 2nd point. I don't think any of the big gaming publishers are absolutely irreplacable, but that doesn't mean Nintendo isn't one of the most prominent.

Also, reading some of the comments here, there seems to be a lot of stereotyping the entire fandom by a vocal minority. Can we...not do that? Every fandom's got these, I don't know why only Nintendo warrants these types of comments.



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ioi said:

I find the whole point and angle of this thread a little confusing.

Firstly, Nintendo makes more money than the gaming divisions of Sony and Microsoft combined so they won't be going anywhere any time soon.

Secondly, as others have said, no gaming company or indeed gaming itself is THAT important and everything can and usually will be replaced eventually. In a hypothetical situation in which Nintendo went bankrupt (which will never happen on their cash reserves alone) then all of their employees would obviously find work elsewhere so their games would live on in other forms.

If you are trying to somehow objectively quantify the contribution and importance of gaming companies in the industry then it is very hard not to place Nintendo as number one by any metric that you choose. They have sold far more games than any other publisher, won more awards, dominate every "best ever" poll and are more financially successful than all other publishers by a long long way. Those are hard facts.

There aren't any other forms of entertainment I can think of that have been dominated so much by one company for so long. On that basis, I would personally say yes, they are THAT important.

With regards to the first point, that's almost certainly true, though I'll be interested to see how they're doing at the end of the fiscal year.

With regards to the second, I'm not trying to say anthing other than what I did. That Nintendo isn't so important that they embody all quality and progress in the industry, and that they aren't so important to the industry that the whole thing will come crashing down if they fail.



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Nintendo is important, but I agree with all of your points titles. Some people act like gaming begun with Nintendo and will die with Nintendo...



Pristine20 said:
osed125 said:

Boring is subjective yes, but smaller isn't. If my scenario becomes true, that would mean less games a year, and a flood of trash indie games in the like of Candy Crush, Farmville and stuff like that. 

Also less diversity is not subjective, imagine only having drama and comedies on movies and TV, well imagine the same but with games genres, meaning only Sports and FPS games for example (I'm talking about AAA stuff here.)

I'll give you diversity on "AAA" titleseven though I'm not 100% sold that that would be the case absolutely. I mean FF still far outsells any JRPG but for some reason, they still make Tales games (Is tales not AAA)? I guess they're not bleeding cash enough? AAA isn't everything you know...and what's AAA is kind of difficult to determine sometimes. Is the AAA moniker given to big budget games or games over 90% on metacritic? That definition is crucial for me to understand your prediction.

As far as I know, AAA games are the ones that cost a sh*t ton of money to make. Stuff like critic scores, game sales don't matter here. Maybe the correct term is "blockbuster games", but I honestly don't know.

Japanese companies are still one of the few who still make middle end software, like Nintendo, Namco and Atlus for example. Sad that a lot of them seem to be moving towards mobile. 



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Super_Boom said:
ioi said:

I find the whole point and angle of this thread a little confusing.

Firstly, Nintendo makes more money than the gaming divisions of Sony and Microsoft combined so they won't be going anywhere any time soon.

Secondly, as others have said, no gaming company or indeed gaming itself is THAT important and everything can and usually will be replaced eventually. In a hypothetical situation in which Nintendo went bankrupt (which will never happen on their cash reserves alone) then all of their employees would obviously find work elsewhere so their games would live on in other forms.

If you are trying to somehow objectively quantify the contribution and importance of gaming companies in the industry then it is very hard not to place Nintendo as number one by any metric that you choose. They have sold far more games than any other publisher, won more awards, dominate every "best ever" poll and are more financially successful than all other publishers by a long long way. Those are hard facts.

There aren't any other forms of entertainment I can think of that have been dominated so much by one company for so long. On that basis, I would personally say yes, they are THAT important.

Not to piggyback or anything, but this pretty much summed up my thoughts on the subject. Especially your 2nd point. I don't think any of the big gaming publishers are absolutely irreplacable, but that doesn't mean Nintendo isn't one of the most prominent.

Also, reading some of the comments here, there seems to be a lot of stereotyping the entire fandom by a vocal minority. Can we...not do that? Every fandom's got these, I don't know why only Nintendo warrants these types of comments.

Just wanted to clap that used stereotype instead of generalize. I hate when people misuse words. 

On-topic if third party could get there games on apple products or any PC, why would they need Sony or Microsoft? Both would die a fast death. Ironically clouding gaming in 2-3 will be able to do this. On-live isn't even comparable to stuff were going to see than. I'm in college going for bs in cyber security and some of stuff were learning about cloud gaming/in general makes consoles look like dinosaurs.



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curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:
curl-6 said:
Mythmaker1 said:

Fair enough. So what is it about Nintendo games, in particular, that is bestest? :P

Prioritization of fun, cleverly designed, and creative gameplay above all else.


They have that in spades, for the most part.

The point I diverge on is the prioritization of fun. I crave a fun game from time to time, but I often look for the maturity and depth I mentioned earlier, and not as many of their games have as much of that.

For me, everything takes a back seat to fun. Maturity in games is like CGI in movies; it can be a good addition, but also a drawback, and isn't always necessary.

Sorry if I seem a bit single-minded, but isn't "everything takes a back seat to fun" more or less having narrow interests?



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It's stupid to think the gaming indusrty would suffer in any way, were Nintendo to go 3rd party or bankrupt. It doesn't mean they won't be missed though.



dsp333 said:
PenguinZ said:
Mythmaker1 said:

They aren't the company that all publishers should aspire to be. They aren't some bastion of quality and creativity not seen anywhere else. They're one company, among many, better than some, lesser than others, and people really need to stop putting them on a pedastal.

Lesser than others? Who has a better résumé than Nintendo in gaming?

Not who you asked, but my opinion? Capcom, SNK, Namco, Sega, Atlus, and now Platinum are all companies I'd all put well over Nintendo in a heartbeat.

Obviously some of those like Capcom have seen far, FAR better days... Or really, I'd argue all but Atlus and Platinum have, but if you ask me... Nintendo never truly recovered from the commercial failure of the Gamecube. While their profitability may have gone up, their quality and general value proposition has absolutely plummeted. Perhaps as a direct result.

My question was not opinion based. I actually wanted to know if some other company has actually achieved a greater status than Nintendo in the gaming industry. They're also not just one company in the land of many... This is not an opinion, but a fact based on many different factors.



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ioi said:
Mythmaker1 said:

With regards to the first point, that's almost certainly true, though I'll be interested to see how they're doing at the end of the fiscal year.

With regards to the second, I'm not trying to say anthing other than what I did. That Nintendo isn't so important that they embody all quality and progress in the industry, and that they aren't so important to the industry that the whole thing will come crashing down if they fail.

There could still be a video game industry if every publisher apart from EA went bankrupt - it just wouldn't be a very good one!

As others have said (and as I have backed up by various objective measures), there would be a much bigger hole in the industry if Nintendo left than for any other gaming company.

I think the point here is that Nintendo is, by any measure you wish to use, the MOST important gaming company of every decade of the last 30 years but I don't think anybody in their right mind would argue that the industry couldn't exist without them but it would be an enormous loss for a lot of people.

Pretty much, yes. The size of the hypothetical metaphorical hole might be up for debate, but their loss would certainly not go unfelt.



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PenguinZ said:
dsp333 said:
PenguinZ said:
Mythmaker1 said:

They aren't the company that all publishers should aspire to be. They aren't some bastion of quality and creativity not seen anywhere else. They're one company, among many, better than some, lesser than others, and people really need to stop putting them on a pedastal.

Lesser than others? Who has a better résumé than Nintendo in gaming?

Not who you asked, but my opinion? Capcom, SNK, Namco, Sega, Atlus, and now Platinum are all companies I'd all put well over Nintendo in a heartbeat.

Obviously some of those like Capcom have seen far, FAR better days... Or really, I'd argue all but Atlus and Platinum have, but if you ask me... Nintendo never truly recovered from the commercial failure of the Gamecube. While their profitability may have gone up, their quality and general value proposition has absolutely plummeted. Perhaps as a direct result.

My question was not opinion based. I actually wanted to know if some other company has actually achieved a greater status than Nintendo in the gaming industry. They're also not just one company in the land of many... This is not an opinion, but a fact based on many different factors.

It may not depend on opinion, but it does depend on perspective.

Still, by virtually every measure, Nintendo is the largest, most ubiquitous name in gaming. It's also a very different company than any of them, and not always in the good ways.



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