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Nem on 12 January 2014
BasilZero said:
Nem said:


What a laugh. The strategy is that you have to watch wich skills/spells to use and manage your MP or resources and kill enemies in the fastest and most efficient way possible. Its nothing like what FFXIII has. 

And serirously, im not talking absolutes but near absolutes. Bosses werent that different. You just had to change to a healing paradigm to heal the damage. Woot look at the total of 2 strategies. Heavy stuff!

Look guys, its best to agree to disagree. You think the game isnt terrible, but i had a terrible time with it (and i wasnt the only one) and i was really really trying to like it. Its just a dull game. Some people have higher tolerance to dullness and grinding than others have. I just assume you guys have a higher tolerance to it, so you can find some enjoyment in it. Thats all there is here.

Saying im a hater is also a poor atempt at trying to overthrow my arguments. I dont hate it, i dislike bad games. Wich i think is common to everyone.


But you failed numerous times to explain why you think the FFXIII battle system is boring compared to the previous FF games. You mentioned it being  horrible and putting you to sleep but you dont even explain the aspects - and you seriously expect to walk way without being called a hater?

You made one good point now, the use of MP since it doesnt exist in FFXIII however FFXIII replaces MP with TP which is actually something that requires a bit more strategy since it is shared among the whole party unlike MP which is individual points for individual characters - TP is used for summons, certain spells such as Quake, Stopga, and certain other abilities - proof of it being the replacement is because in order to heal TP you need to use Ether or Elixir which was originally used for MP in previous games.

Managing resources, watching what skills and spells is exactly the same, etc is exactly the same as in previous games - the presentation is a bit different and it is much faster paced than previous games because it involves balance of support, defense, offense and comboing (i.e. to Stagger a enemy), you are also timed in doing battles as some battles offer achievements, rewards etc for defeating a enemy in a certain amount of time. Auto-Attacking 95% of the time will mean in all the boss battles you will have either been KO'd or spent about 30 minutes chipping away a enemy from a non-staggered status (boss battle wise at least).

You also mention grinding, I'm guessing you never played FF3 and FF5 which require heavy grinding especially if you want to get CP for class changes and abilities. FF6 requires grinding to learn the spells from espers, FFVII requires grinding from learning spells from materia, FFIX requires grinding to learn abilities from equipment, etc.

You keep stacking all these complaints but you dont even mention a legit con - one that is exclusive to FFXIII - I'm talking about combat of course. Not the general gameplay outside battle or the plot. You keep saying there's no strategy at all in FFXIII combat but that isnt true, I'm honestly starting to believe you didnt play FFXIII or at least didnt play long enough lol.

Edit: Since it doesnt seem like you played FFXIII or its sequel, I'll give some help for you in the form of a CON in FFXIII's combat system - You heal up fully after each battle.


Keep the lies coming. And by the way, i did explain, you just dont want to admit it.

I will make this really simple for you: 95% of the game > choose the auto-attack command > watch (repeat this cycle for dozens of hours as you progress through the linear corridors).

I know its difficult to understand, but ah well... I consider it grinding cause im doing the same thing over and over without any difference except when i fight a boss and i need to heal up. Wooptydoo!

I actually am quite fond of FFIII for the record. FFV i stopped before the last dungeon cause i didnt want to grind.But hey... my time with those games just vanished for the sake of your argument. Internet posts are the best!

FinalFantasyXIII said:
Nem said:
FinalFantasyXIII said:

Is it so bad to admit you enjoy a dull game? I am not afraid to say i enjoy the Dynasty Warriors games, but i understand why other people dont like them.


Still parroting the negative reviews.


You're cool and everything but do you have any real opinions?


What? Having the ability to like FFXIII is having an opinion? Dont make me laugh.



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Hynad on 12 January 2014

Nem in a nutshell: THIS IS LIKE THIS BECAUSE I SAY SO!!! YOUR OPINION IS WRONG AND MINE IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!!

HEIL NEM !!!

Seriously... Grow the hell up.



Nem on 12 January 2014
Hynad said:
 

I'm not going to say you're a hater. That being said, you're passing off your opinion as fact. People are not liking the game because they think it's good. Nah, you know better than anyone what's good or not. "People like the game because they're tolerant to dullness." What a moronic, egotistical, closed-minded and childish way to shove your opinion down everyone's throat.


You want me to say its just my opinion when clearly the vast majority agrees with it? That is perfectly fine. It is my opinion that the game is terrible.

I am not beeing close minded at all. I played the game for a gruesome 30+ hours before i gave up on it. As hard as it may seem to belive i am a JRPG fan. Have been since the PS1 era.

I am not gonna change my opinion of the game just cause yours is different. I tried to enjoy the game really hard. That is why i can say with all confidance that i dislike it alot. I can also say that objectively the game is dull (look at above post for the simple explanation). Its nothing to be ashamed of to have a different opinion and enjoy something that others find dull. As i said before many consider the DW games dull but i find them incredibly fun.

I just dont get why you get so defensive about it and try to either disdain the whole genre or all FF games just to make the case that FFXIII isnt so bad, when in fact it is. Just let that sink it. Its a dull game, but that doesnt mean you cant find enjoyment in it.

Now, you have to understand that theres alot of people that will dislike it. You just have to deal with it.



Nem on 12 January 2014
Hynad said:

Nem in a nutshell: THIS IS LIKE THIS BECAUSE I SAY SO!!! YOUR OPINION IS WRONG AND MINE IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!!

HEIL NEM !!!

Seriously... Grow the hell up.


Haha... you need to learn how to read better.

But hey... whatever will let you have peace of mind.



FlamingWeazel on 12 January 2014
DakonBlackblade said:
So another hater reviewing a FFXIII game, whats new here exactly ?


Where is your proff he is a hater??/ Not liking somethng does not make one a hater, over used and abused term.



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DonFerrari on 12 January 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
DakonBlackblade said:
So another hater reviewing a FFXIII game, whats new here exactly ?


Where is your proff he is a hater??/ Not liking somethng does not make one a hater, over used and abused term.

But by his historic in FF XIII reviews he didn't like the trilogy just that.. maybe liking other FFs made him give the trilogy bad grades because of the differences.



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Runa216 on 12 January 2014

Awww, this sucks! I have to put my bias aside for the next month or so. What a shame, I'll have to not constantly harass Final Fantasy XIII and XIII-2...you can likely guess why.

Well, XIII was bad, and XIII-2 was better, so my guess is that Lightning Returns will be...okay. Decent, perhaps. I guess we'll see.



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oniyide on 12 January 2014
FinalFantasyXIII said:
oniyide said:
FinalFantasyXIII said:
oniyide said:
BasilZero said:
oniyide said:


the fact that you cant even control your other party members shows that it is not FF style, thats barely RPG style


I agree with this too. The fact that you cant control your other party members was a let down for me as well however FFXIII isnt the first game to implement that though, FFXII also did that and I'm sure all future FF games will be like that.

Alongside the elimination of MP (which I enjoyed), the summon system, and the fact that they heal up your whole HP bar after EACH battle were cons for me in the combat system.

No FF12 didnt do that, well thats a lie it did, but you had the OPTION to control your party members. FF13 was the first game in the main series to not give you that option and that pretty sums up my issues with FF13 as a whole...streamline. Everything was so streamlined combat, the world, hell the characters themselves. It never felt like i was playing a JRPG, it felt like I was playing...hell i dont even know what it was to be honest. Like a dungeon crawler, but a crappy one. And i dont care for dungeon crawlers. But i get how people would enjoy that. I wouldnt even have minded if the story was good, but i found it to be terrible, i hated combat in FF12 but at least the world and characters were interesting (not you Vaan)

it seems like you have a more than a few cons, so im curious to know what about the battle system you liked. Cause i couldnt even enjoy the summons, they felt useless most of the time. FYI Im not trying to trick you into admitting the game was bad or something silly, you at the least attempt to explain why you like it instead of most people blindly defending it.

I loved using Sazh's Eidolon Brynhilder, then Paradigm shift Expoiltation to debuff, and then Aggression until staggered with Sazh's skill Cold Blood, then finish with Cerberus to farm trapezohedron and Platinum Ignots in Eden Hall. The end area with the save spot and 2 sets of guards if you've never played it. There's a certain set of accessory/equipment I used where I could get my TP guage charged back up to 3 (you need at least 3 TP to summon Eidolons and that is the easiest way to drop the Adamantoise there, and after summoning you get full health if he stomped you once. The drop prevents him from attacking your party for a few minutes) and thencontinue to grind that 3 mob circle infinetly to craft all the ultimate weapons and platinum ignots to get my chars rich. I used Lightning Sazh and Fang (fang is cool because she gets a debuff modifier improved debilitation II with the Pandoran Spear/Calamity Spear/ Ultimate Kain's Lance which isn't even necessary but I loved the Ultimate Weapons idea's in this game. You can also use Snow in place of Lightning too because he can have a higher attack and by default has higher hp than lightning can get. Accessorys were like Energy Sashs, Canatalogs, and Certain wepons have TP buff to, but I believe they implement the Stagger lock and that prevents stagger status which is needed because the Adamatoise has tons of health. I believe over 5 million for that one, so not getting a stager lock and the 900% damage increase is mission critical if you want to chop it down for the best drops in the entire game. ;) I probly spent over 10 hours doing that, and it was AWESOME!


yes but you are still not picking actual ACTIONS, you can switch all you want but you are still leaving the actual actions to the AI. You are still essentially using one character at a time. I played the game and I know all that. Now you had fun with it and thats great it truly is. I didnt, its really that simple the system to me was kinda meh. and no amount of description of what YOU did in the game is going to change that.


The AI doesn't create all the paradigms, you do.  If you can't figure that out then you go nowhere in the game. Exactly like your point on this subject.  You played the game like you said, you never finished the game like I predicted.


the AI does the ACTIONS, thats what you're not getting i did figure it out, i beat the game. ANd even if I didnt why would that matter? You ever finished a game you werent having fun with? doubt it. I cant tell Vanille to cast a heal spell, Snow to cast Blizzara and Ligthing to cast a Lighting spell  when i want how I want can I? Nope thats not how the system works and if you're cool with that thats fine. Im not



FinalFantasyXIII on 12 January 2014

The reason people make these posts is so the FFXIII series does not oversell their precious FF7 series. Don't be fooled by them. FFX-X2 series already outsold it anyways.

The internet hipster trend is to claim that FFVII is the best series.

Another internet trend is to say the FFXIII series is bad. Like the OP of this thread has done.

FFVII sold 9.72m & FFVII CC sold 3.10m = 12.82m total for the FFVII series.

FFXIII sold 5.09+2.03=7.12m for the ps360, FFXIII-2 sold 2.49+.69=3.18m for the ps360. 7.12m+3.18m=10.30m + Japans numbers for LR .41m+.01m currently = 10.72m for the FFXIII series total so far. We still need to see what the release on PS360 in USA+UK numbers reach, and this site lists it availble on XB1? I wonder if that is true or not? Anyhow...Recap.

FFVII series = 12.82m sales, and FFXIII series = 10.72m If the game Lightning Returns FFXIII can average just 1m combined on PS360 in USA and 1m combined in UK for ps360 platforms it will be a more successful series than peoples precious FF7 series. Interesting!

I can't wait to make that thread or let someone else make it. It's gonna happen folks :) the people on the internet who complain about FFXIII are very wrong about RPG's. We FFXIII series fans will soon have the numbers on our side, deal with it. FFX-X2 has sold a combined  13.34m and will have a re-release. These 2 series FF13 and FF10 will soon be the undeniable real fan favorites, and all the FF7 hipsters can't handle the truth. Maybe we'll get a FF7 re-release someday and the hipsters can prove us FFX and FFXIII fans wrong too, or maybe SS knows FF7 isn't good enough to remake. Have a nice day. Share your thoughts. :)



Runa216 on 12 January 2014
FinalFantasyXIII said:

The reason people make these posts is so the FFXIII series does not oversell their precious FF7 series. Don't be fooled by them. FFX-X2 series already outsold it anyways.

The internet hipster trend is to claim that FFVII is the best series.

Another internet trend is to say the FFXIII series is bad. Like the OP of this thread has done.

FFVII sold 9.72m & FFVII CC sold 3.10m = 12.82m total for the FFVII series.

FFXIII sold 5.09+2.03=7.12m for the ps360, FFXIII-2 sold 2.49+.69=3.18m for the ps360. 7.12m+3.18m=10.30m + Japans numbers for LR .41m+.01m currently = 10.72m for the FFXIII series total so far. We still need to see what the release on PS360 in USA+UK numbers reach, and this site lists it availble on XB1? I wonder if that is true or not? Anyhow...Recap.

FFVII series = 12.82m sales, and FFXIII series = 10.72m If the game Lightning Returns FFXIII can average just 1m combined on PS360 in USA and 1m combined in UK for ps360 platforms it will be a more successful series than peoples precious FF7 series. Interesting!

I can't wait to make that thread or let someone else make it. It's gonna happen folks :) the people on the internet who complain about FFXIII are very wrong about RPG's. We FFXIII series fans will soon have the numbers on our side, deal with it. FFX-X2 has sold a combined  13.34m and will have a re-release. These 2 series FF13 and FF10 will soon be the undeniable real fan favorites, and all the FF7 hipsters can't handle the truth. Maybe we'll get a FF7 re-release someday and the hipsters can prove us FFX and FFXIII fans wrong too, or maybe SS knows FF7 isn't good enough to remake. Have a nice day. Share your thoughts. :)

You're wrong.  Your theory is innaccurate.  Why?  I hate FFXIII, and I felt VII was overrated as hell.  I mean, I enjoyed it, but it's not even my favorite Final Fantasy game.  that honor goes to VI.  As I look back, I'm starting to think the only reason I loved VII was Nostalgia; it was the first game I played and beat on the PS1.  

Now, it's just dated, the plot is silly, and the characters are cliche stereotypes. 

I feel this way and still feel that XIII is quite possibly the crowning achievement in "shittiest game compared to budget and expectations ever."  and I mean that.  The very fact that the game had a budget reportedly just under 100 million dollars and its biggest functional flaw was something as simple as "your leader dies, it's game over" is just laughably terrible.  An unpaid intern could have fixed that, yet they decided to keep it in the game?  That's a combination of hilarious ineptitude, gross negligence, and disappointingly ill-concieved design.  

or maybe I'm just looking to find more ways to bash that game.  



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