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Max King of the Wild on 10 January 2014
Dark_Feanor said:


Because both are information, nothing else.

A disc midia has no value what so ever if there is no information inside. Would you buy a book with blank pages or dowload a e-book file tied to your kindle?

The bitterness of a vocal minoraty pushed console game back years with the XOne 180°.

When Steam, Google Play, iStore, Amazon app, etc are thriving console market are being reduced to a bunch of old fat fanboys that wish they lived in the golden age of game cartigred, no DLCs and no

just stop with your bullshit. it wasnt a minority. MS preorder numbers were getting killed before the 180. everywhere you looked. MS knew if they didnt change they would get slaughtered. simple. as. that. if you want to be mad at anyone it should be MS for not giving people a product they want, failing to advertise the product to convince those people and finally completely scrapping their vision to cater to the MAJORITY.



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kitler53 on 10 January 2014
Xenostar said:

not really true,

PS Now is an additional way to play games that requires an internet connection because of the way it delivers the games.

Xbox unveil was taking the way youve always played games and adding an internet requirement even when its completed not needed.


exacly!

sony introduced a traditional console and a new (optional) streaming service

MS introduced forced DRM.



Dark_Feanor on 10 January 2014
LiquorandGunFun said:
Dark_Feanor said:
LiquorandGunFun said:
Not exactly. I can rent games on psnow, Im not forced to buy at $60 with no guarantee of even keeping it. If I rent the game, then we all know what is up and thats fine. Its not going to keep me from playing my $60 disc game if the internet is down, good try OP.

If internet was down you would have 24h to play or could use a 3G cellphone to update the certificated.

Netflix you can may buffer some seconds of video. Playstation Now on the other hand the conection MUST be persistent and stable. 

PS: XOne is a success, but there is no indication Playstiton Now will prosper. I remember a few months ago how exited people where for the Vita TV, or the Vita for all that matter.

Yeah its that first point you made that is unacceptible to me, and I dont have the 3g option.

Have you been without internet for more than 24h straight?

My family lives in the countryside of Brazil (eventhough in the most developed region), and for the last 3 or 4 years they never went more than 24h without 3G signal. It´s a terrible internet conection, no stream is possible, but its always there. 

Some times the energy goes down for half a day, and I can still talk to my mother using Skype in her notebook.



FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
Dark_Feanor said:
cusman said:
Why are you comparing a service like Netflix to bringing home physical Disks that you play in your physical proprietary hardware and then are further required to be online for DRM purposes?


Because both are information, nothing else.

A disc midia has no value what so ever if there is no information inside. Would you buy a book with blank pages or dowload a e-book file tied to your kindle?

The bitterness of a vocal minoraty pushed console game back years with the XOne 180°.

When Steam, Google Play, iStore, Amazon app, etc are thriving console market are being reduced to a bunch of old fat fanboys that wish they lived in the golden age of game cartigred, no DLCs and no patches.

So much wrong with your post, bitterness of a vocal minority?? Where is your proof it was a vocal minority? Only a few xbox fans with blinders defended MS with their moronic stance...

 

MS is to blame for doing something that turned the public against them it is their job to get the proper message and marketing out they failed, blame MS, they need to cater to the consumer not vice versa, it's howe the world works.

 

This is NOTHING like what ms did, this is for older games and is totally optional, how else do you propose to allow old catalogues that are no longer in stores to be accessible? What's your solution?



kitler53 on 10 January 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
Dark_Feanor said:
cusman said:
Why are you comparing a service like Netflix to bringing home physical Disks that you play in your physical proprietary hardware and then are further required to be online for DRM purposes?


Because both are information, nothing else.

A disc midia has no value what so ever if there is no information inside. Would you buy a book with blank pages or dowload a e-book file tied to your kindle?

The bitterness of a vocal minoraty pushed console game back years with the XOne 180°.

When Steam, Google Play, iStore, Amazon app, etc are thriving console market are being reduced to a bunch of old fat fanboys that wish they lived in the golden age of game cartigred, no DLCs and no patches.

So much wrong with your post, bitterness of a vocal minority?? Where is your proof it was a vocal minority? Only a few xbox fans with blinders defended MS with their moronic stance...

 

MS is to blame for doing something that turned the public against them it is their job to get the proper message and marketing out they failed, blame MS, they need to cater to the consumer not vice versa, it's howe the world works.

 

This is NOTHING like what ms did, this is for older games and is totally optional, how else do you propose to allow old catalogues that are no longer in stores to be accessible? What's your solution?


even Nsanity said he wouldn't buy the reveal version of the xbone.   ...it was far more than a vocal minority.



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Dark_Feanor on 10 January 2014
Max King of the Wild said:
Dark_Feanor said:

 

just stop with your bullshit. it wasnt a minority. MS preorder numbers were getting killed before the 180. everywhere you looked. MS knew if they didnt change they would get slaughtered. simple. as. that. if you want to be mad at anyone it should be MS for not giving people a product they want, failing to advertise the product to convince those people and finally completely scrapping their vision to cater to the MAJORITY.


We know nothing about preoders numbers.

It is a minority. 7mi people that have bought the nextgen are less than 2% of lastgen console market and less than 0.1% of global population.

Steam has close to 70mi users that are ok with DRM, they can´t resell, lend their games. Netflix killed video renting and, together with Amazon, is killing disc based sales.

I just fell in love with my kindle paperwhite, and I can´t do shit with the books I´ve bought besides read then anywhere any time as long I am logged to my Amazon account.

PS: For more insights in how information is the matrick of value, not the midia in it´s inside, please check this book.

The Information: A History, A Theory, A Flood [Paperback]

James Gleick 

 http://www.amazon.com/The-Information-History-Theory-Flood/dp/1400096235/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389358722&sr=8-1&keywords=information



Talal on 10 January 2014

It's different because this is a new option, but it's true that a lot of people hate anything by Microsoft.



FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
Dark_Feanor said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Dark_Feanor said:

 

just stop with your bullshit. it wasnt a minority. MS preorder numbers were getting killed before the 180. everywhere you looked. MS knew if they didnt change they would get slaughtered. simple. as. that. if you want to be mad at anyone it should be MS for not giving people a product they want, failing to advertise the product to convince those people and finally completely scrapping their vision to cater to the MAJORITY.


We know nothing about preoders numbers.

It is a minority. 7mi people that have bought the nextgen are less than 2% of lastgen console market and less than 0.1% of global population.

Steam has close to 70mi users that are ok with DRM, they can´t resell, lend their games. Netflix killed video renting and, together with Amazon, is killing disc based sales.

I just fell in love with my kindle paperwhite, and I can´t do shit with the books I´ve bought besides read then anywhere any time as long I am logged to my Amazon account.

PS: For more insights in how information is the matrick of value, not the midia in it´s inside, please check this book.

The Information: A History, A Theory, A Flood [Paperback]

James Gleick 

 http://www.amazon.com/The-Information-History-Theory-Flood/dp/1400096235/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389358722&sr=8-1&keywords=information

??? Argument holds no water, the number of people who have bought next gen are not the only ones to buy, again prove it was a minoroty? Nor does that have any bearing on the sheer number of people whi may have been interested in x1 and simply hated the direction MS went in IF it was a minority MS would not have budged, corporations do not budge for a minority.

 

I repeat, it is MS job to market and get the message out about its product so consumers want it, MS failed, it is their fault. Stiop trying to blame the consumer for MS mishaps.

 

Steam was a digital only platform from day 1, where pc gam

 

Also steam works offline, where PC games are pretty much gone from shelves, Consoles are huge Retail boxes, where people trade in games daily, another useless comparison. Ms policies also required online daily for games to work steam does not.



Max King of the Wild on 10 January 2014
Dark_Feanor said:

Have you been without internet for more than 24h straight?

My family lives in the countryside of Brazil (eventhough in the most developed region), and for the last 3 or 4 years they never went more than 24h without 3G signal. It´s a terrible internet conection, no stream is possible, but its always there. 

Some times the energy goes down for half a day, and I can still talk to my mother using Skype in her notebook.


i went without the internet for over 3weeks and live in one of the largest cities in the US. 



FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
Talal said:

It's different because this is a new option, but it's true that a lot of people hate anything by Microsoft.


That's MS fault...................it's their job to cultivate consumer and public image and mind share. They did it to themselves.