Soleron said: No one gives a fuck about the ITRS. What matters is the tech of Intel, GF, Samsung and TSMC. That's it. And in TSMC and GF's case, "20nm" is not smaller than Intel 22nm. The "nm" doesn't refer to anything useful, it's arbitrary since about 10 years ago. Ask former fab engineer idontcare on Anandtech forums for more info. |
I don't doubt that one bit. But people care about numbers. And 20nm is classed as a half node. :P
Besides, different fabs have different levels of transister density even at the same node, for instance TSMC at 32nm might pack less transisters per mm2 than Intel would at 32nm.
As a process matures, you can also pack more transisters into the same space.
There is actually allot more to packing transisters into a chip than the "nm" rating.
But to claim TSMC 20nm isn't on a smaller process than Intel's 22nm.. I would need to see some solid linkage, rather than take the word of what is essentially a stranger on the internet.
Soleron said: Vastly outdated info. There are no more half nodes ever again. It's too expensive to develop them. So they just rebrand. |
Not necessarily.
It depends on the fabricator's position.
The large cost is in the R&D (And building the plants!) you can bet those who are in the fab game does the R&D at every single step. I.E. 19nm, 18nm etc'.
That way they can observe such things like electromigration, leakage and mitigate it as much as possible.
Soleron said: That won't happen in 2014. They will have it on GPUs in 2015 then consoles might be 2016 if ever. (I expect it to never happen) |
I agree.
AMD won't have it's new GPU untill late 2014, by then the process would be new.
It would take a good 6-12+ months for it to mature and by that time, then it might happen. (In the case of TSMC however, never have your hopes up for yields to improve quickly.)