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veiam on 14 February 2008
elnino334 said:
veiam said:
Bozotheclown said:
PC gaming will be gone before X-Box, Playstation, and Nintendo.

I'd love to know where you are pulling that info from, but I don't see how PC gaming can be gone when companies such as Blizzard still exist (imo, Blizzard even beats nintendo when it comes to quality games). Also you fail to realize that some of the worlds top grossing games are PC games (Sims? WoW still goging strong). PC gaming is far from dead and will be around for the true hardcores for a long long time.


PC gaming is not going anywhere as almost all new games being announced will also come out on PC. Also there is an article about MS,nivida and someone else forming a gaming allaince etc. PC gaming is here to stay.

Now about Blizzard beating nintendo in quality games is just dumb. Please name all the quality blizzard compared to Nintendo. By the way Nintendo has two top 2 highest rated games of all time and could be 3 if SMB keeps on the high reviews. Also though WoW has 10 million people who enjoy there are many millions who don't. Basically you got sims and wow taking up 95% of the PC revenue lol. Yeah that is healthy for developers looking to make money making games on the PC. No wonder CLiffy B is on the console bandwagon since he likes being rich.


 I love nentendo since I first got my Famicon in english back when I was 7 and it was absolutely god sent. That and all the Nintendo games are amazing, but they don't even come close to the amount of time i have spent playing Warcraft 2 B.net edition, Starctaft, Diablo 2, Lord of Destruction, Warcraft3,Frozen Throne, and even a little of WoW on the side. ANY game that has had the Bilzzard logo has been of the highest quality, all the way back to the Lost Vikings. Meanwhile Nintendo has had some bad ideas before (looking in Mario's direction) that have not worked out too hotly.



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Bozotheclown on 14 February 2008
shio said:
Bozotheclown said:

Don't deny it PC junkies. It's only a matter of time before a nextgen system will include a mouse and keyboard from the get-go and blow pc games out of the water. PC gaming is niche gaming.

when consoles start including keyboard+mouse they will no longer be consoles, but gaming-only PC's.


That is what the paranoid PC fanatic would say. 



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elnino334 on 14 February 2008
veiam said:
elnino334 said:
veiam said:
Bozotheclown said:
PC gaming will be gone before X-Box, Playstation, and Nintendo.

I'd love to know where you are pulling that info from, but I don't see how PC gaming can be gone when companies such as Blizzard still exist (imo, Blizzard even beats nintendo when it comes to quality games). Also you fail to realize that some of the worlds top grossing games are PC games (Sims? WoW still goging strong). PC gaming is far from dead and will be around for the true hardcores for a long long time.


PC gaming is not going anywhere as almost all new games being announced will also come out on PC. Also there is an article about MS,nivida and someone else forming a gaming allaince etc. PC gaming is here to stay.

Now about Blizzard beating nintendo in quality games is just dumb. Please name all the quality blizzard compared to Nintendo. By the way Nintendo has two top 2 highest rated games of all time and could be 3 if SMB keeps on the high reviews. Also though WoW has 10 million people who enjoy there are many millions who don't. Basically you got sims and wow taking up 95% of the PC revenue lol. Yeah that is healthy for developers looking to make money making games on the PC. No wonder CLiffy B is on the console bandwagon since he likes being rich.


 I love nentendo since I first got my Famicon in english back when I was 7 and it was absolutely god sent. That and all the Nintendo games are amazing, but they don't even come close to the amount of time i have spent playing Warcraft 2 B.net edition, Starctaft, Diablo 2, Lord of Destruction, Warcraft3,Frozen Throne, and even a little of WoW on the side. ANY game that has had the Bilzzard logo has been of the highest quality, all the way back to the Lost Vikings. Meanwhile Nintendo has had some bad ideas before (looking in Mario's direction) that have not worked out too hotly.


So your basis is just from personal expereince.  That is cool.



naznatips on 14 February 2008
Bozotheclown said:
shio said:
Bozotheclown said:

Don't deny it PC junkies. It's only a matter of time before a nextgen system will include a mouse and keyboard from the get-go and blow pc games out of the water. PC gaming is niche gaming.

when consoles start including keyboard+mouse they will no longer be consoles, but gaming-only PC's.


That is what the paranoid PC fanatic would say.


Stop trolling the topic.  You clearly have nothing to add to the discussion anymore.  You've said your piece, now leave. 



veiam on 14 February 2008

@Elnino: It's not just personal, not one Blizzard game has tanked as far back as I can remember. Meanwhile I have seen Nintendo games sucking. You also have to keep in mind that Blizzard is one company that up until WoW was somewhat small.



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Final-Fan on 14 February 2008
naznatips said:
rocketpig said:
naznatips said:
Final-Fan said:
Moreover, PC prices are indeed falling but a PC in the same price range as consoles are NOT going to last as long for gaming as consoles.

This is a common misconception from people who don't understsand PC hardware. It's true that your PC will not play games on maximum settings for 5 years, but a PC built now will run all games over the next 5 years easily, and if you do want to continue running games at higher graphical power, the only thing you'll need to upgrade is your video card once every 2 years or so. Possibly your RAM as well.

Honestly I've never understood where people got this idea that PCs suddenly won't be able to play the games the consoles do. It's truly a ridiculous notion. My PC, from a technical standpoint, is simply far more powerful than either console. I have a better GPU, more RAM, and a better Processor. Where on Earth did you get the idea that I'm suddenly not going to be playing the multiplatform games 3 years down the line?

I swear, the complaints people come up with against PC gaming defy all logic. People who have no understanding of PC technology at all just hop on the bandwago.


While, as a PC gamer for years, I agree with most of what you're saying, I have a hard time believing any 2002 computer could run Crysis.

In the PC gaming world, you probably have more like three years (if you drop $1k on parts, not including monitor) of high-to-mid gaming on a PC. After that, you'll be struggling to run newer games at even midrange resolutions and horsepower hogs like Crysis won't run at all (though those types of games are pretty rare).

There are a few issues with your statement.

First of all, we crossed the Operating System barrier in there, which creates a leap in technology. If you see each operating system as a console generation, then it's fairly unreasonable to assume an early XP machine could play late Vista games.

Second of all, a 2002 gaming machine may not be able to run Crysis, but it could run CoD4, Bioshock, and the Orange Box with no trouble. The only real limiting factor for a PC is its CPU, and CPU recommendations for these games are simply not that high. Crysis was a technology leap game, and there is only one of these released every 5 years or so. Every game is not Crysis, nor will be every game released after Crysis.

So you're assuming that 5 years from now everyone will still be running Vista? 
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It seems to me that XP's lifespan was the exception, not the rule.  Maybe 5/6 year lifespans for OSes is the new rule but then again maybe not. 

Now here we get into something that I truly don't know as I haven't closely followed computer hardware for more than a few years.  Would a 2002 PC that cost a MODEST amount truly run Bioshock and CoD4 without ANY newer-than-2002 hardware and without looking like week-old dogshit?  What graphics card would you recommend, and what did it cost at the time? 



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Bozotheclown on 14 February 2008

@naznatips

I clearly stated PC gaming would be dead when a console includes mouse and keyboard. Getting bent out of shape over someone's opinion?
God forbid anyone to debate without someone getting emotionally distressed on vgchartz..

Professionalism would help the reputation of this site a little.



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elnino334 on 14 February 2008

To be clear I am sure PC gamers will have no problems playing PC games as my main issue is with getting more people into PC gaming. Is not as easy as go buy a 360 or PS3 or Wii. Some people just don't like or able to use a keyboard as a control. Yes the mouse gives great precision but again might be too much for some people. If I have a game if I want to bring it to my friends house I have to hope they can play it and what about local multiplayer if the game uses mouse and keyboard. Basically is a pain to get PC gaming to be mainstream and the main reason WoW and Sims or even rts games are so popular is because you typically play it online with fairly simple controls though rts can vary. Really PC gaming is about online vs console gamers for the most part have always been more about playing with near by friends and family locally. Is why people make fun of WoW players or actually MMO players as anti-social vs console players usually go to friends or family to play. I may have gereralise a bit much so feel free to correct me though bottomline PC gaming will not expand the way it currently operates.



shio on 14 February 2008
elnino334 said:
veiam said:
elnino334 said:
veiam said:
Bozotheclown said:
PC gaming will be gone before X-Box, Playstation, and Nintendo.

I'd love to know where you are pulling that info from, but I don't see how PC gaming can be gone when companies such as Blizzard still exist (imo, Blizzard even beats nintendo when it comes to quality games). Also you fail to realize that some of the worlds top grossing games are PC games (Sims? WoW still goging strong). PC gaming is far from dead and will be around for the true hardcores for a long long time.


PC gaming is not going anywhere as almost all new games being announced will also come out on PC. Also there is an article about MS,nivida and someone else forming a gaming allaince etc. PC gaming is here to stay.

Now about Blizzard beating nintendo in quality games is just dumb. Please name all the quality blizzard compared to Nintendo. By the way Nintendo has two top 2 highest rated games of all time and could be 3 if SMB keeps on the high reviews. Also though WoW has 10 million people who enjoy there are many millions who don't. Basically you got sims and wow taking up 95% of the PC revenue lol. Yeah that is healthy for developers looking to make money making games on the PC. No wonder CLiffy B is on the console bandwagon since he likes being rich.


I love nentendo since I first got my Famicon in english back when I was 7 and it was absolutely god sent. That and all the Nintendo games are amazing, but they don't even come close to the amount of time i have spent playing Warcraft 2 B.net edition, Starctaft, Diablo 2, Lord of Destruction, Warcraft3,Frozen Throne, and even a little of WoW on the side. ANY game that has had the Bilzzard logo has been of the highest quality, all the way back to the Lost Vikings. Meanwhile Nintendo has had some bad ideas before (looking in Mario's direction) that have not worked out too hotly.


So your basis is just from personal expereince. That is cool.


He means that Blizzard has easily the highest rated average of AAA titles, which is a fact, and the games give so much more playtime than any Nintendo game



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veiam on 14 February 2008
Final-Fan said:
rocketpig said:
naznatips said:
Final-Fan said:
Moreover, PC prices are indeed falling but a PC in the same price range as consoles are NOT going to last as long for gaming as consoles.

This is a common misconception from people who don't understsand PC hardware. It's true that your PC will not play games on maximum settings for 5 years, but a PC built now will run all games over the next 5 years easily, and if you do want to continue running games at higher graphical power, the only thing you'll need to upgrade is your video card once every 2 years or so. Possibly your RAM as well.

Honestly I've never understood where people got this idea that PCs suddenly won't be able to play the games the consoles do. It's truly a ridiculous notion. My PC, from a technical standpoint, is simply far more powerful than either console. I have a better GPU, more RAM, and a better Processor. Where on Earth did you get the idea that I'm suddenly not going to be playing the multiplatform games 3 years down the line?

I swear, the complaints people come up with against PC gaming defy all logic. People who have no understanding of PC technology at all just hop on the bandwago.

While, as a PC gamer for years, I agree with most of what you're saying, I have a hard time believing any 2002 computer could run Crysis.

In the PC gaming world, you probably have more like three years (if you drop $1k on parts, not including monitor) of high-to-mid gaming on a PC. After that, you'll be struggling to run newer games at even midrange resolutions and horsepower hogs like Crysis won't run at all (though those types of games are pretty rare).

That's exactly what I mean. OBVIOUSLY no one expects today's PC (especially a sub-$600 one) to run a 5-years-in-the-future game at maximum settings because today's PC can't even run Crysis at maximum settings! (I read an article recently about how some PC gaming publication tried to build a monster rig that cost ungodly amounts and would play Crysis at completely maxed out settings ... they got it to run but at like 17fps IIRC.)

I'm not a big PC gamer, but I do play some games on the PC AND I am a friggin' computer tech so I would appreciate it if you didn't assume I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to computer hardware naznatips.

If your computer is new I would certainly expect you to be able to play games on it 3 years from now in some fashion but tell me with a straight face you won't be staring longingly at new video cards/CPU/whatever in less than 18 months, especially if your ENTIRE RIG cost "in the same price range as consoles". Consoles last longer and that's a fact.

 The whole argument was that you won't be able to play games on a PC 5 years down the road at all, as itthey won't even boot up properly due to requiring so much memory/cpu/whatever. I fully agree Consoles last longer than the PC, but PC's games become more evolved,in-depth, and get to the new ground-breaking features faster than consoles just because PC gaming is constantly improving. There are heavy cons to having a PC and I admit that, but at the same time the pros are many and numerous.

 

As for Crysis, you can think of it as the PS3. Costs a decent amount of money to run, pushing technology to the brink, etc. but so few people could afford all that (and gameplay sucked) that I doubt we'll see a game running on an engine as demandin as Crysis' for at least a year or two.