My problem with PC gaming is the platform.
To make the new games work, you have to upgrade -- then the old games won't work.
Plus you never really know if a PC game is going to work until you take it home and try it -- whereas rarely do platform games fail out of the box.
I tried to go PC gaming in the late 1980s/early 1990s. All I got was debt and a lot of useless 5-1/4 inch disks, some of which would not let me reinstall after a harddrive crash.
I went back to consoles and have not regretted the switch.

Mike from Morgantown

veiam said: elnino334 said: veiam said: elnino334 said: veiam said: elnino334 said: Since mine was locked I assume here is what I had to say: Login solution would be useful which is why mmo's are not hurt by piracy as much if at all. Currently I pay for city of heroes every month yet all the latest PC games I just bootleg though recently games like crysis and unreal 3 just do not run well on my current PC so screw them. Plus all my friends have consoles and for those that have PC's they use them for the internet or school work etc and rather spend money on games then a 6-12 month video card of $200+. I am baised since I just think is so retarted that games are made to run with the latest cards without giving an option to play with older cards which kicked ass not so long ago. Is not like asking to run at insane resolutions with 60 fps etc. Just allow me to enjoy the game at a decent resolution and locked in 30 fps. I mean you look at Half Life 2 which my system runs wonderfully and why can't crysis have an option to just look like that. Again PC's are a pain in the ass for gaming for the most part so I am glad consoles are the focus as I want all the PC games to be available on consoles so I may play them with my friends who also don't feel like spending money on new PC's etc.   P.S ssj12 had mentioned about login solution to fight against piracy Crysis DOES have the functionality to run at 30 FPS on your rig. It's called LOWER-MEDIUM VIDEO SETTINGS. No developer ever told you that you have to play their game at Max have they? Also the reason PC gaming is slowing down is because PC gets crappy consolish games. No PC gamer likes a port from a console, there are exceptions, but in general it's true. Also last time I heard PC games ported to a console don't do as hot (BioShock's awkward control scheme on the 360 when it comes to using plasmids and weps). Ok man since you obvisouly was at my house when I tried to run the game at the lowest settings and see the crawl. I am sure you would have been there laughing with my friends lol. I am going to end discussion of PC stuff since obviously I just need to upgrade and then I would be a PC gamer lol. I don't know what rig you have but you obviously need an upgrade. It costs just about $500 to build a rig from scratch to run crysis on low to medium, and I mean the entire box not just the video card.   With those same $500 I could buy a PS3 and have access to more games as well as play with tons of other people who bought a PS3. Seems every new game announced is being made available for the 360/PS3 so I should upgrade because... I am sorry but that is the same excuse you will get over and over when shit doesn't work on PC, just upgrade but how long until the next one?  You'd have access to more games with a PS3? Play with more people online? That just made my roommate look at me funny cause I was laughing aloud. As far as having to upgrade to run games soon that's just not true. I have not heard of ANY PC game that has been announced, or rumored about, that will require the horsepower that Crysis required. If you shell out 1k for  a self built computer you'd be fine for up to 5 years. Hell I had a mediocre laptop at the time that I bought it and that lasted me good 4 years (It just so happened that its motherboard crapped out beginning of 2007, it would not have run UT3 or Crysis). And that's a laptop, now think a nice desktop. And yes I do agree that within 5 yers you'd have to upgrade to play the new top of the line games at all, but that just means those top of the line games will be far better than any of the games on the PS3 (in terms for graphics and hopefully AI).

Tough to argue which one has more games per say though looking at future releases the PS3 is about even if not more.  In terms of playing online it really depends on the game for example cod4 has sold alot more on the PS3 then the PC so which one would have more people to play online with?  Did you see the horsepower of assasin creed?  You think nvidia and ati are making these powerful cards so that games don't take advantage of them?  Mind you it has been said thet PC games will not be as good as they should be since games are being made to come to consoles as well.  Bottonline is you spend $400-500 once on a PS3/360 and your golden for at least 5 years without needing to do anything else yet on PC who knows.  Might have the kick ass video card but might need more memory etc. 

veiam said: Final-Fan said: veiam said: If the next gen consoles are even pricier than this gen's consoles then I can see people going back to PC gaming due to the simple fact that PCs will be able to be made for cheaper than buying a console. Also to get the HD benefit from a console you'd need an HDTV which costs a solid amount too, meanwhile, as far as i've heard, the use of an actual TV has been going down (50% of all .torrent files DLed have been of TV shows) therefore eventually you'd end up buying TVs just to play consoles. Meanwhile a laptop's screen is already 1200p, much better thana the best HDTV's out there. I'm just waiting until consoles hit the $899 mark to see a rebound (Hopefully). I predict 2050. Seriously, do you think the console makers are blind? Sony may not have actually destroyed the Playstation brand but they came way too close for comfort and it was entirely due to having a massively expensive console. I've seen no one disagreeing until now with the idea that no console in the next gen is going to cost as much as the PS3 did at launch, so I would like to know why you think prices will go UP. Moreover, PC prices are indeed falling but a PC in the same price range as consoles are NOT going to last as long for gaming as consoles. And you seem to take trends like people watching more things on their computers (instead of TV) and assuming that those trends will continue forever, which is just silly. Obviously things will reach a new equilibrium and I think it's foolish to presume without very strong evidence that the new equilibrium will be "almost no one will watch TV in the future". I agree with the fact that console's probably won't cost that much for a while, but as far as TV's are concerned you obviously have not noticed that TC has been dying more and more due to the internet, TV stations themselves have started uploading some of their shows up for torrent or streaming them. This all comes from a simple reason, I don't wanna be limited to 9 PM tuesdays to watch House, I wanna watch it the next day at 6PM or whenever. TVs are on their way out as a whole when it comes to shows, not sports, but just general TV shows yes.

Yes, and I agree that TV watching is on a downward trend, but at some point that trend is going to stop when a new equilibrium is reached between watching stuff on the computer and watching it on your TV.  SOME people will switch entirely to PC viewing just as some people will not watch TV content on the PC at all. 

I don't wanna be limited to 9 PM tuesdays to watch House, I wanna watch it the next day at 6PM or whenever.
That's what many people use VCRs or TiVos for.

TVs are on their way out as a whole when it comes to shows, not sports, but just general TV shows yes.
OK, but that's not what you said.  You said
therefore eventually you'd end up buying TVs just to play consoles.
meaning that people would not have ANY reason to buy a TV except to play consoles.  This is just not true, especially considering the growing trend of using HDTVs as computer monitors.  And, similarly, most big monitors have AV inputs that consoles can also use. 

Perhaps you just fell victim to the common habit of hyperbole? 

veiam said: elnino334 said: veiam said: elnino334 said: veiam said: elnino334 said: Since mine was locked I assume here is what I had to say: Login solution would be useful which is why mmo's are not hurt by piracy as much if at all. Currently I pay for city of heroes every month yet all the latest PC games I just bootleg though recently games like crysis and unreal 3 just do not run well on my current PC so screw them. Plus all my friends have consoles and for those that have PC's they use them for the internet or school work etc and rather spend money on games then a 6-12 month video card of $200+. I am baised since I just think is so retarted that games are made to run with the latest cards without giving an option to play with older cards which kicked ass not so long ago. Is not like asking to run at insane resolutions with 60 fps etc. Just allow me to enjoy the game at a decent resolution and locked in 30 fps. I mean you look at Half Life 2 which my system runs wonderfully and why can't crysis have an option to just look like that. Again PC's are a pain in the ass for gaming for the most part so I am glad consoles are the focus as I want all the PC games to be available on consoles so I may play them with my friends who also don't feel like spending money on new PC's etc.   P.S ssj12 had mentioned about login solution to fight against piracy Crysis DOES have the functionality to run at 30 FPS on your rig. It's called LOWER-MEDIUM VIDEO SETTINGS. No developer ever told you that you have to play their game at Max have they? Also the reason PC gaming is slowing down is because PC gets crappy consolish games. No PC gamer likes a port from a console, there are exceptions, but in general it's true. Also last time I heard PC games ported to a console don't do as hot (BioShock's awkward control scheme on the 360 when it comes to using plasmids and weps). Ok man since you obvisouly was at my house when I tried to run the game at the lowest settings and see the crawl. I am sure you would have been there laughing with my friends lol. I am going to end discussion of PC stuff since obviously I just need to upgrade and then I would be a PC gamer lol. I don't know what rig you have but you obviously need an upgrade. It costs just about $500 to build a rig from scratch to run crysis on low to medium, and I mean the entire box not just the video card.   With those same $500 I could buy a PS3 and have access to more games as well as play with tons of other people who bought a PS3. Seems every new game announced is being made available for the 360/PS3 so I should upgrade because... I am sorry but that is the same excuse you will get over and over when shit doesn't work on PC, just upgrade but how long until the next one? You'd have access to more games with a PS3? Play with more people online? That just made my roommate look at me funny cause I was laughing aloud. As far as having to upgrade to run games soon that's just not true. I have not heard of ANY PC game that has been announced, or rumored about, that will require the horsepower that Crysis required. If you shell out 1k for a self built computer you'd be fine for up to 5 years. Hell I had a mediocre laptop at the time that I bought it and that lasted me good 4 years (It just so happened that its motherboard crapped out beginning of 2007, it would not have run UT3 or Crysis). And that's a laptop, now think a nice desktop. And yes I do agree that within 5 yers you'd have to upgrade to play the new top of the line games at all, but that just means those top of the line games will be far better than any of the games on the PS3 (in terms for graphics and hopefully AI).

This is the problem. People bitched to no end that spending $600 for a PS3 just wasn't happening. How can the PS3 be seen as overpriced if it's lifecycle is going to last approximately 5-7 years, but the $1000 custom built PC will only last you the 5 years? For $1150, you can own the 360, PS3 and Wii. Where is the deal there?

 

@mike_intellivision: I don't know where you are pulling the no backwards compatability since I was just playing Commander Keen on my Vista machine. Nor do I get where you pulled out the fact that games rarely work on a PC considering if you have any reading comprehension you'd know whether it will run or not on your rig (The requirements box is usually on the back, sometimes on the side or bottom).

 

@FF: Perhaps I have.

PC gaming will be gone before X-Box,  Playstation, and Nintendo.

elnino334 said: veiam said: elnino334 said: veiam said: elnino334 said: veiam said: elnino334 said: Since mine was locked I assume here is what I had to say: Login solution would be useful which is why mmo's are not hurt by piracy as much if at all. Currently I pay for city of heroes every month yet all the latest PC games I just bootleg though recently games like crysis and unreal 3 just do not run well on my current PC so screw them. Plus all my friends have consoles and for those that have PC's they use them for the internet or school work etc and rather spend money on games then a 6-12 month video card of $200+. I am baised since I just think is so retarted that games are made to run with the latest cards without giving an option to play with older cards which kicked ass not so long ago. Is not like asking to run at insane resolutions with 60 fps etc. Just allow me to enjoy the game at a decent resolution and locked in 30 fps. I mean you look at Half Life 2 which my system runs wonderfully and why can't crysis have an option to just look like that. Again PC's are a pain in the ass for gaming for the most part so I am glad consoles are the focus as I want all the PC games to be available on consoles so I may play them with my friends who also don't feel like spending money on new PC's etc.   P.S ssj12 had mentioned about login solution to fight against piracy Crysis DOES have the functionality to run at 30 FPS on your rig. It's called LOWER-MEDIUM VIDEO SETTINGS. No developer ever told you that you have to play their game at Max have they? Also the reason PC gaming is slowing down is because PC gets crappy consolish games. No PC gamer likes a port from a console, there are exceptions, but in general it's true. Also last time I heard PC games ported to a console don't do as hot (BioShock's awkward control scheme on the 360 when it comes to using plasmids and weps). Ok man since you obvisouly was at my house when I tried to run the game at the lowest settings and see the crawl. I am sure you would have been there laughing with my friends lol. I am going to end discussion of PC stuff since obviously I just need to upgrade and then I would be a PC gamer lol. I don't know what rig you have but you obviously need an upgrade. It costs just about $500 to build a rig from scratch to run crysis on low to medium, and I mean the entire box not just the video card.   With those same $500 I could buy a PS3 and have access to more games as well as play with tons of other people who bought a PS3. Seems every new game announced is being made available for the 360/PS3 so I should upgrade because... I am sorry but that is the same excuse you will get over and over when shit doesn't work on PC, just upgrade but how long until the next one? You'd have access to more games with a PS3? Play with more people online? That just made my roommate look at me funny cause I was laughing aloud. As far as having to upgrade to run games soon that's just not true. I have not heard of ANY PC game that has been announced, or rumored about, that will require the horsepower that Crysis required. If you shell out 1k for a self built computer you'd be fine for up to 5 years. Hell I had a mediocre laptop at the time that I bought it and that lasted me good 4 years (It just so happened that its motherboard crapped out beginning of 2007, it would not have run UT3 or Crysis). And that's a laptop, now think a nice desktop. And yes I do agree that within 5 yers you'd have to upgrade to play the new top of the line games at all, but that just means those top of the line games will be far better than any of the games on the PS3 (in terms for graphics and hopefully AI). Tough to argue which one has more games per say though looking at future releases the PS3 is about even if not more. In terms of playing online it really depends on the game for example cod4 has sold alot more on the PS3 then the PC so which one would have more people to play online with? Did you see the horsepower of assasin creed? You think nvidia and ati are making these powerful cards so that games don't take advantage of them? Mind you it has been said thet PC games will not be as good as they should be since games are being made to come to consoles as well. Bottonline is you spend $400-500 once on a PS3/360 and your golden for at least 5 years without needing to do anything else yet on PC who knows. Might have the kick ass video card but might need more memory etc.

 The thing is if you can play Crysis on that machine you are not lacking in any department since the game is heavy on just about every square nanometer of your computer. Also, RAM is the cheapest thing to upgrade by far. My neighbors have RAM stick quite literally piling up in boxes and strewn all over (they are CE majors). You can build a computer for a cheap amount that will last you 5 years before it can't even run a game on minimum settings. 

Final-Fan said: Moreover, PC prices are indeed falling but a PC in the same price range as consoles are NOT going to last as long for gaming as consoles.

This is a common misconception from people who don't understsand PC hardware. It's true that your PC will not play games on maximum settings for 5 years, but a PC built now will run all games over the next 5 years easily, and if you do want to continue running games at higher graphical power, the only thing you'll need to upgrade is your video card once every 2 years or so. Possibly your RAM as well.

Honestly I've never understood where people got this idea that PCs suddenly won't be able to play the games the consoles do. It's truly a ridiculous notion. My PC, from a technical standpoint, is simply far more powerful than either console. I have a better GPU, more RAM, and a better Processor. Where on Earth did you get the idea that I'm suddenly not going to be playing the multiplatform games 3 years down the line?

I swear, the complaints people come up with against PC gaming defy all logic. People who have no understanding of PC technology at all just hop on the bandwago.

veiam said: ^ Yeah but you also fail to address the fact that PC games will be far superior in terms of graphics and AI and everything that makes the PS3 such a "ZOMFG AMAZING GOD SENT BOX" currently.    @mike_intellivision:   I don't know where you are pulling the no backwards compatability since I was just playing Commander Keen on my Vista machine. Nor do I get where you pulled out the fact that games rarely work on a PC considering if you have any reading comprehension you'd know whether it will run or not on your rig (The requirements box is usually on the back, sometimes on the side or bottom).   @FF: Perhaps I have.

Of course to get the superior graphics and AI you have to spend quite a bit on a card that can provide that.  Keep in mind the 360 came out in 2005 and is able to run Bioshock about as good as  PC.  Would a card that I bought in 2005 or even 2006 have allowed me to play bioshock today to be as good looking as the 360 version?  How much would that card have been in that time?  Yeah you might see better graphics on the PC 2 years from now  but the point is you only payed $600 in 2006 when the PS3 came out and still playing games in 2010 etc.  Again 1 time investment for 5-10 years if you look at the PS2 as example of how long consoles can go.  Basically PC's will always be better looking but that is because they are constantly upgrading and if you don't upgrade the game might run but not at the superior graphics you claim.  Maybe someday ati and nivida will just release 1 SUPER kick ass card that all games for the next 5 years will have to be compatible with and have superior graphics etc then I think PC gaming would become more common place and less of a hassle that it is now for most people.  I am all for PC gaming really but the fact that my friends just don't give a lick about it is what brings down for me.  I LOVE playing with people which is why I play city of heroes on the PC but everything else like cod4 I just play on xbox live. 

Bozotheclown said: PC gaming will be gone before X-Box, Playstation, and Nintendo.

 I'd love to know where you are pulling that info from, but I don't see how PC gaming can be gone when companies such as Blizzard still exist  (imo, Blizzard even beats nintendo when it comes to quality games). Also you fail to realize that some of the worlds top grossing games are PC games (Sims? WoW still goging strong). PC gaming is far from dead and will be around for the true hardcores for a long long time.