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Xenostar on 02 December 2013
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.

Everything goes through my Xbox One. TV, Games, Bluray, Tablet screen on large screen. Etc. The Xbo One is my media hub. Use the in built HDTV set up program on Xbox One. It sets all the settings with you. And wallah. Now my Sky TV looks better through The One than direct. It upscales to 1080p my 720p Sky image. Also the colours are WAY better through The One than direct to TV.

I am extremely happy with my 1080p output image. Looks far better than in 720p. It makes Ryse look more realsitic than it already did.

Thats funny because Ryse doesnt use it, Crytek wrote there own software upsaler, presumably they thought it was bad also, to go to this effort. 



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PureDante on 02 December 2013

I'm sorry, but without the black-added filter, the bottom pics look like x360 games. 



All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

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SvennoJ on 02 December 2013
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:

So you like crushed blacks on all your content? Ryse has nothing to do with it since they bypass the upscale filter and made their own 900p to 1080p solution.

What happens with blu-ray 24hz mode? Does it still alter the 1080p image to conform with the rest or do blu-rays look washed out like the 720p direct images?

How can everything go through XBox One, there's only 1 HDMI input. If you use an amplifier for sound you can put the amp out hdmi into the XBox One, but then the XBox One only has sound through the tv...

If the xbox one processed picture looks better then a direct link, then it can look even better when you calibrate the tv correctly, enjoy tv without crushed blacks and whiteouts. This can only be in any way beneficial if you have a tv without basic brightness/contrast/color controls.

It's fine if they add a setting in the control panel to bypass all these image filters. Pass through direct, disable sharpness/contrast/gamma adjustments. Forcing it for any content that needs to be upscaled sucks.

My point is, the 720p image looks like arse. Their is no black at all. Its dark grey or light grey. Hate that. When its dark it shoud be dark. Not dark grey. White should not be light grey.

As for amping. I use Optical Out. Also my HDTV has HDMI out which if I want can connect all 5 HDMI inputs to my amp through one HDMI cable. However I now have 1 HDMI going into TV. Because my Xbox One Plays Blurays itself. My Sky Box goes through the Xbox One. I can access internet, netflix, etc etc etc all from one input on my TV. I have it set up for Xbox One on picture nothing else.

So convienient and easy.

My point is you can calibrate the 720p image to your liking, you can't undo the image enhancements the XBox One does, detail has already been lost.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5852941

It's fine it works for you, but I have 360 (to be replaced with XBox One), ps3, ps4, WiiU and Cable PVR all going into the amp. Plus there's still a component video out DVD player, PS2 and Wii hooked up as well. All going into the amp with 1 HDMI and 1 component video cable to the tv, all HDMI sources enjoying the same calibrated image settings. Well except 360 that has darker output, needs manual change of brightness and contrast when used. So very inconvenient and not easy at all.



Ashadian on 02 December 2013
endimion said:
top looks clearly sharper, colors are more accurate (at least on my color calibrated screens) and you have more details I don't know where you have seen more details at the bottom... the darks are so lavish at the bottom and colors saturated or downgraded a lot that you do see some stuff clearer but certainly not more detailed....

and yeah TV settings are probably more relevant to your contrast and color accuracy than the upscaler touch up... and I'm talking about professional color calibration either by a technician or with actual real calibration equipment which I wager about 99.9999999999999% of the people don't or do incorrectly

Lol! This says it all! LOL!

The top pictures where its too dark and detail can't be seen!



Ashadian on 02 December 2013
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.

Everything goes through my Xbox One. TV, Games, Bluray, Tablet screen on large screen. Etc. The Xbo One is my media hub. Use the in built HDTV set up program on Xbox One. It sets all the settings with you. And wallah. Now my Sky TV looks better through The One than direct. It upscales to 1080p my 720p Sky image. Also the colours are WAY better through The One than direct to TV.

I am extremely happy with my 1080p output image. Looks far better than in 720p. It makes Ryse look more realsitic than it already did.


Yes we've all heard this before! The X1 in your eyes can't do no wrong!



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Ganoncrotch on 02 December 2013

http://i5.minus.com/ib1dvDEOpVUVOJ.png

 

holy hell at Jago's arm.... you could walk down the aliasing on that like steps :S this surely can't be how this game looks? are these doctored or just badly captured images?



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Krill on 02 December 2013

Before opening this thread I already knew:

(a) it had been started by ethomaz (sigh, not got any games to play so hunt the net for Xbox One problems?), and
(b) this 'story' was lifted straight form NeoGaf like all of ethomaz's other stories.

I have my Xbox One set up with my plasma and the picture is fantastic on games, TV, blu ray and every other media. I took the time to go into Display and Sound Settings.... you know the menu which lets you set up resolution, connection type (HDMI vs DVI), Colour depth (8-bit, 10-bit and 12-bit, expressed x3 as 24, 30 and 36), RGB levels range, and audio.

There’s also the Calibrate HDTV wizard where you are advised to turn off dynamic contrast and edge enhancement and which colour temperature setting to use before starting the fine tuning.
You can adjust the picture to eliminate overscan, edge enhancement, and black and white crush. There is also a basic colour adjustment step which can be used with a “Blue only” mode (Samsung and LG TVs have this).

I wonder if the people who report crushed blacks and overdone edge enhancement actually took the time to visit this set-up menu....

No doubt there will be people attacking this post.  Just to forewarn you I won't be responding - I will be too busy playing Ryse and Forza 5 (both of which are excellent by the way).



-CraZed- on 02 December 2013

The bottom images are better and more representative of the original image. Now the person who captured the images just needs to properly calibrate his TV and it will look less washed out. The top pictures blacks are crushing and no amount of TV calibration will bring back the lost details.

Bottom line is apparently most people don't know how to calibrate their TVs.



Ganoncrotch on 02 December 2013
Krill said:

 

No doubt there will be people attacking this post.  Just to forewarn you I won't be responding - I will be too busy playing Ryse and Forza 5 (both of which are excellent by the way).

While you no doubt will not be responding I would just point out that if you consider a 60% metacritic game with 40 mediocre scores as excellent then it would be difficult to know on what scale you rate audio/visual fidelity of your setup.

There are times we need to accept that some of the things we love have flaws, some bigger than others. There is a clear way to avoid the use of the inbuilt upscaler on the X1 and that is to default the system to the native resolution of the game you're playing, then work with the image from there, most screens will do a better job when given the native image.



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SvennoJ on 02 December 2013
Krill said:

Before opening this thread I already knew:

(a) it had been started by ethomaz (sigh, not got any games to play so hunt the net for Xbox One problems?), and
(b) this 'story' was lifted straight form NeoGaf like all of ethomaz's other stories.

I have my Xbox One set up with my plasma and the picture is fantastic on games, TV, blu ray and every other media. I took the time to go into Display and Sound Settings.... you know the menu which lets you set up resolution, connection type (HDMI vs DVI), Colour depth (8-bit, 10-bit and 12-bit, expressed x3 as 24, 30 and 36), RGB levels range, and audio.

There’s also the Calibrate HDTV wizard where you are advised to turn off dynamic contrast and edge enhancement and which colour temperature setting to use before starting the fine tuning.
You can adjust the picture to eliminate overscan, edge enhancement, and black and white crush. There is also a basic colour adjustment step which can be used with a “Blue only” mode (Samsung and LG TVs have this).

I wonder if the people who report crushed blacks and overdone edge enhancement actually took the time to visit this set-up menu....

No doubt there will be people attacking this post.  Just to forewarn you I won't be responding - I will be too busy playing Ryse and Forza 5 (both of which are excellent by the way).

I guess the people at AVForums are incompetent too?
http://www.avforums.com/threads/xbox-one-crushed-blacks.1833534/
Even the xbox one blu-ray player review from blu-ray.com stated crushed blacks in Star Trek into Darkness.

Anyway all I want is an option to turn it all off. The calibrate menu is right to advise you to turn off edge enhancement on your tv, yet then the scaler adds it on its own anyway... Calibration should happen on the display, any mid to high end display will do a better job than messing with image settings in the middle of the signal chain. Too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the broth.

And btw it's the scaler that is crushing blacks and adding edge enhancement. Ryse and Forza 5 don't use the scaler, so you're fine there.