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I'm the biggest critic of sony's new strategy I know. I think both the PSP and PS3 have been long chains of bad mistakes.
However, sony has sat back and reevaluated their strategy. And simply put they are coming up with some really good ideas.
To enumerate:
1)PSP/PS3 functionality
2)Buying small innovative studios and getting interesting software, like LBP
3)Free anf functional online. For free I can play 42 players on resistance, for 50 a year I can play 16 on Live.

I think sony will come back by the end of the generation for a strong 2nd place position. The one we need to worry about is Xbox. Will there be another?
There is evidence that the answer may be no.
1)MS' firesale of game studios.
2)Xbox faltering in other markets
3)the push for free live. pretty much the only profit maker.
4)360 sales goal is 1 billion, it will never happen.



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ChronotriggerJM said:
jcp234 said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
wiiforever said:
^ i thought MS was starting to bring a profit from the 360 now

"starting to", and it's because of massive software sales :( I'm not sure if the 360's hardware sales alone could account for the billion dollar writeoff, let alone scratch the debt collected by the first :/ MS has some GREAT selling software, and I see them understanding this, they hire a studio to make a game, pump the shit out of it with advertising, and let it fly to no end :P They are absolutely brilliant with software, which is why I just don't see them making another console, it just doesn't add up to me lol.


I hope that I never have to make this correction again, but Microsoft is a 100% debt free company. Microsoft is 100% financed via equity financing. On top of that, Microsoft has about 50 billion dollars of spare cash on hand at all times.

 

And as far as Microsoft's problem with hardware, lets not forget that Microsoft is a software company first. It is not too surpising that sony is capable of manufacturing a more reliable counsole. Sony's primary specialty is hardware. Give Microsoft time...I am sure this will be one of the biggest issues addressed with the next X-box (reliability). The RROD issue is still unjustifiable; however, they will learn from their mistake.

 

But please posters, stop stating that Microsoft is in debt. It really diminishes your credibility.

 

One last time, MICROSOFT IS A ZERO DEBT COMPANY.


I'm no finacial advisor, but how did they write off the 4 billion dollars of hardware manufacturing costs with the original xbox >_>? And yes they have billions of dollars sitting around, which they're currently trying to throw at Yahoo.

And I agree with you, they are good at software, not so much with the hardware, the reasons why MS didn't just buy out more software developers is beyond me, they make soooo much money on it, but the hardware does nothing but lose them money.

Also note, by "Dept" I'm referring to their gaming devision >_>; not the company as a whole. 


I am assuming Microsoft wrote off the 4 billion dollars to make their financial statements look more attractive to investors. I think it was a smart thing to do. Considering Microsoft's primary focus is software, it makes sense that entering the hardware realm of the home console gaming market would be very costly for them, but it's not like they can't afford it. 

And NO division of Microsoft uses debt financing. Debt is when you borrow money from a lender with the intention of paying back what you originally borrwed plus interest. Microsoft has never ever borrwed money EVER. So there is no reason why anyone should use Microsoft and debt in the same sentence unless they are stating that it doesn't exist for Microsoft. Microsoft is financed 100% through equity.

 

Most companies use a combination of debt and equity to finance their operations. Microsoft is only obligated to its equity investors. Microsoft doesn't owe any money to any banks or any other financial institution. This is why I think people underestimate just how big Microsoft is. All of these billions of dollars Microsoft spends...comes from their pockets...they do not borrow this money from outside financial institutions.  And whatever money they make...they can reinvest within the company without worrying about paying billions in debt to lenders (because they don't have any).



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rukusa said:
Dno said:

your sure DMC4 will sell better but all we have is data and its a fact that DMC sold better on ps3 its first week.

after GTA sells millions on BOTH consoles the ps3 will STILL be selling better WW the 360........

if they make a new console they would be stupid and 3rd parties will hate them because no one is use to the high prices of making games now so u think microsft is stupid enough to make a console thats double the prices of devs now? thats a stupid move and if they do that will be microsofts LAST CONSOLE.....


Wooooah~! easy there cowboy.

If I were you I would at least agree with him that GTA IV 360 will sell much better because of the american support. Those guys love GTA more than anywhere else in the world.

DMC4 HOWEVER, will deliver a better performance on the PS3 I'd say.


where at all in there did i say ps3 GTA will sell better "cowboy".. i said the ps3, the PLAYSTATION 3 HARDWARE will still sell more World Wide then 360 hardware as it has been since the end of 2007...... reading is good for the soul cowboy



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@jcp, Well I think I just worded it funny, my point was that if Microsofts OS makes 100 billion dollars (made up but simple number) and they're hardware makes 5 billion dollars, that puts them at 105 billion dollars no >_>? However in this case, their OS made 100 billion dollars, and their hardware made -5 billion dollars, making they're total gain 95 billion dollars.

Essentially I'm viewing they're new devision who's sole purpose is ultimately to gain money, is leeching money off the main source to feed... something >_>;;; So far, their gaming and entertainment devision has had literally less than $0 return on it's expenses thus far, and now that the 360 is in fact profitable to make, I'm wondering if it's profits will ever exceed that of the money lost on it's predecessor or it's failure rate. They're software sales are stellar, and we all know that 1st party titles rake a much higher profit yield than a 3rd party. With such high software sales, I honestly wonder why they didn't just have more internal studios.



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Dno said:
rukusa said:

Wooooah~! easy there cowboy.

If I were you I would at least agree with him that GTA IV 360 will sell much better because of the american support. Those guys love GTA more than anywhere else in the world.

DMC4 HOWEVER, will deliver a better performance on the PS3 I'd say.


where at all in there did i say ps3 GTA will sell better "cowboy".. i said the ps3, the PLAYSTATION 3 HARDWARE will still sell more World Wide then 360 hardware as it has been since the end of 2007...... reading is good for the soul cowboy


First, drop the attitude. Being pissed off doesnt suit you.

Second, the way you mentioned PS3 and 360 seemed like you were refering to each version of GTAIV, in other words it was an misunderstanding. So I withdraw that comment.



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"They sales have not picked up as expected in the new yr"

lol, sales are expected to pick up in the new year ONCE EXCLUSIVES LIKE MGS4, GT5, Killzone2, Haze, LBP, Playstation Home and later Resistance2 and FFXIII etc. come along (and perhaps a pricecut). Nobody said they would pick up because suddenly the year is 2008. Thinking before posting.



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ChronotriggerJM said:
@jcp, Well I think I just worded it funny, my point was that if Microsofts OS makes 100 billion dollars (made up but simple number) and they're hardware makes 5 billion dollars, that puts them at 105 billion dollars no >_>? However in this case, their OS made 100 billion dollars, and their hardware made -5 billion dollars, making they're total gain 95 billion dollars.

Essentially I'm viewing they're new devision who's sole purpose is ultimately to gain money, is leeching money off the main source to feed... something >_>;;; So far, their gaming and entertainment devision has had literally less than $0 return on it's expenses thus far, and now that the 360 is in fact profitable to make, I'm wondering if it's profits will ever exceed that of the money lost on it's predecessor or it's failure rate. They're software sales are stellar, and we all know that 1st party titles rake a much higher profit yield than a 3rd party. With such high software sales, I honestly wonder why they didn't just have more internal studios.

This is only Microsoft's second generation in the hardware home console market. Don't underestimate Microsoft. Most big companies are willing to invest large sums of money into investments that will promote future returns. 

Look at Verizon's FiOS business. Verizon is spending billions to implement their new FiOS network. More money than Microsoft initially sunk into the first X-box. And on top of that...Verizon is actually borrowing huge chunks of that money from lenders. This means Verizon is using billions of someone else's money on a business plan that may fail. Verizon isn't expecting to make back that money immediately, but in a few years...Verizon is betting that its Fios network will turn a major return on their initial investment. Big companies do it all the time..I don't see how Microsoft is any different.

If anything..Microsoft probably has the most leverage and flexibility to do it. Give Microsoft some time...I can assure you that Microsof is not just throwing billions into the X-box devision without a plan. I am sure that Microsoft's development, feature implementation and manufacturing practices for hardware will improve with more experience. Nintendo and Sony are veterans in the hardware game...give Microsoft some time.

And I wouldn't be too worried about Microsoft. Most of its specialties are in software (which have grossly higher profit margins than hardware).



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.