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Vasto on 13 November 2013

Both PS4 and Xbox One use custom GPU and CPU. Cant compare them to pc hardware.



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yo_john117 on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Much better GPU, CPU on the same performance level, and you can overclock both, how is the PC total garbage for the price? It EASILY outpeforms the Xbone so I guess that's total garbage as well, huh? 

Not that I think that PC is garbage by any means but an important thing that needs to be considered when you do comparisons like this is that a PC will almost never be able to produce the graphic fidelity that an equal-speced console can do. If you make a PC with the same specs as the 360 has you'll have trouble trying to get games to look anywhere near as good. This isn't the PC's fault though because console games can be so much more easily optimized than PC games usually are which is why that disparity exists.

 

@Darth Tigris: I disagree. While I don't understand people who think resolution is all that matters or is the most important thing, they most certainly shouldn't be moderated for it because everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

@Shinobi-san: I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I'm not saying that resolution doesn't matter because it does but the people that I entitled "bad gamers" were the people that act like resolution is the most important thing or overplay it. Like I said to adriane23, resolution does matter (and it will matter more or less in varying degrees to different people) but it's one of many things that should be considered when choosing a system, it should not be the defining one and I truly believe the only people that act like it is are the one's that are caught up in the console wars crap.


The 7850 is considerably more powerful than the XBone's GPU, espescially when you factor in the fact kinect takes 10% of the GPU's resource, overclock the 7850 to 7870 level and the difference is vast. Not to mention the faster RAM my rig has, and arguably much faster processor, which can be overclocked as well. 

I'm not debating that aspect at all. What I'm saying is with that PC would you be able to reach Ryse level of graphics on it (and assumably significantly better since the games will only get better as the gen goes on)? I'm asking this partly because I don't know and partly because I've never seen a PC game reach the fidelity that the 360 has with comparable specs.



Daisuke72 on 13 November 2013
Vasto said:
Microsoft is smart to upscale to 1080p. It gives their games a better frame rate and an overall crisp more defined look.


Coming from a guy supposedly running a 7970GHZ? 

ok



fatslob-:O on 13 November 2013
Vasto said:
Both PS4 and Xbox One use custom GPU and CPU. Cant compare them to pc hardware.

Doesn't matter. They feature the same architectures as PCs so there won't be much of a difference in performance for a similarily spec'd PC. 



cmeese47 on 13 November 2013

Resolution matters I can totally see a significant difference on my tv between 720 and 1080. If you cannot tell the difference you need a better or bigger tv.

While it is true for a real gamer resolution should not be a deal breaker the fact is a smart consumer prefers the better deal. A system with higher performance for a $100 less and better versions of the same games makes sense to me.

If you want a XBONE buy it for Forza, Ryse or Dead Rising but if you are buying one right now for multi-plats then you are making a mistake,



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Daisuke72 on 13 November 2013
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

Much better GPU, CPU on the same performance level, and you can overclock both, how is the PC total garbage for the price? It EASILY outpeforms the Xbone so I guess that's total garbage as well, huh? 

Not that I think that PC is garbage by any means but an important thing that needs to be considered when you do comparisons like this is that a PC will almost never be able to produce the graphic fidelity that an equal-speced console can do. If you make a PC with the same specs as the 360 has you'll have trouble trying to get games to look anywhere near as good. This isn't the PC's fault though because console games can be so much more easily optimized than PC games usually are which is why that disparity exists.

 

@Darth Tigris: I disagree. While I don't understand people who think resolution is all that matters or is the most important thing, they most certainly shouldn't be moderated for it because everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

@Shinobi-san: I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I'm not saying that resolution doesn't matter because it does but the people that I entitled "bad gamers" were the people that act like resolution is the most important thing or overplay it. Like I said to adriane23, resolution does matter (and it will matter more or less in varying degrees to different people) but it's one of many things that should be considered when choosing a system, it should not be the defining one and I truly believe the only people that act like it is are the one's that are caught up in the console wars crap.


The 7850 is considerably more powerful than the XBone's GPU, espescially when you factor in the fact kinect takes 10% of the GPU's resource, overclock the 7850 to 7870 level and the difference is vast. Not to mention the faster RAM my rig has, and arguably much faster processor, which can be overclocked as well. 

I'm not debating that aspect at all. What I'm saying is with that PC would you be able to reach Ryse level of graphics on it (and assumably significantly better since the games will only get better as the gen goes on)? I'm asking this partly because I don't know and partly because I've never seen a PC game reach the fidelity that the 360 has with comparable specs.

Console optimization is a lie for the most part. Thing is if you had a 8800GT you could run Bioshock infinite on low, 720P and get 20 - 30 FPS and it will look comparable to its console counterparts, yes optimization does play a role in it all. But it doesn't suddenly turn a 7770 into a 7850. The less cutdown version of the PS3's GPU could run multiplatform games fine with a Core2Duo, 4GB RAM, with it's limited 512MB VRAM.

 

And yes, a 7850 could run Ryse at 900P @ 30FPS. EASILY. An overclocked 7850 could give you it at 60FPS



Vasto on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
Vasto said:
Microsoft is smart to upscale to 1080p. It gives their games a better frame rate and an overall crisp more defined look.


Coming from a guy supposedly running a 7970GHZ? 

ok



Yep, coming from a guy supposedly running a 7970GHZ



Vasto on 13 November 2013
fatslob-:O said:
Vasto said:
Both PS4 and Xbox One use custom GPU and CPU. Cant compare them to pc hardware.

Doesn't matter. They feature the same architectures as PCs so there won't be much of a difference in performance for a similarily spec'd PC. 

Link?



fatslob-:O on 13 November 2013
Vasto said:
fatslob-:O said:
Vasto said:
Both PS4 and Xbox One use custom GPU and CPU. Cant compare them to pc hardware.

Doesn't matter. They feature the same architectures as PCs so there won't be much of a difference in performance for a similarily spec'd PC. 

Link?

They both use x86 and they both also use GCN so no excuses! What are you getting so defensive about exactly ? All of the consoles are weak compared to your 7970 ghz edition so I see no need to damage control for either of the consoles. What's more is that the AMD mantle will close the gap even further. What's even worse is that microsoft is going to use directX for the X1 so it will be even closer than before. 



yo_john117 on 13 November 2013
Daisuke72 said:
yo_john117 said:
Daisuke72 said:

The 7850 is considerably more powerful than the XBone's GPU, espescially when you factor in the fact kinect takes 10% of the GPU's resource, overclock the 7850 to 7870 level and the difference is vast. Not to mention the faster RAM my rig has, and arguably much faster processor, which can be overclocked as well. 

I'm not debating that aspect at all. What I'm saying is with that PC would you be able to reach Ryse level of graphics on it (and assumably significantly better since the games will only get better as the gen goes on)? I'm asking this partly because I don't know and partly because I've never seen a PC game reach the fidelity that the 360 has with comparable specs.

Console optimization is a lie for the most part. Thing is if you had a 8800GT you could run Bioshock infinite on low, 720P and get 20 - 30 FPS and it will look comparable to its console counterparts, yes optimization does play a role in it all. But it doesn't suddenly turn a 7770 into a 7850. The less cutdown version of the PS3's GPU could run multiplatform games fine with a Core2Duo, 4GB RAM, with it's limited 512MB VRAM.

 

And yes, a 7850 could run Ryse at 900P @ 30FPS. EASILY. An overclocked 7850 could give you it at 60FPS

Well then, consider me educated! I had no idea (probably mostly because I haven't had all that much experience with PC gaming).