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Conegamer said:
b00moscone said:


Cone, what are the settings for the tourney going to be? CPU level etc.

Easy, so they don't interfere with the race too much. Aside from that pretty standard stuff.


Ok, thanks! :)



 

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I set an alarm clock for 9:30 pm ages ago. I can't sleep.

So I'm going to watch TV or Youtube or something. I hate having nothing to do lol.
Anyway......I MUST HAVE ZELDA CHARACTERS CANDY CRUSH!!!!

I actually cannot wait until the first phone game, since I think Pokemon Shuffle works very well.



DélioPT said:

"Sony's strategy was to give the third party what they wanted in terms of hardware... Something that Nintendo failed to do and Sega butchered their systems before hand as well as the hardware for the Saturn was bad compared to both the n64 and ps1..."
If you think that was the only thing To Sony's strategy then you are mistaken.
You keep looking at this just through the eyes of 3rd parties. To, giving 3rd parties exactly what they want is the only solution, yet you forget that those who support the systems and buy the things are consumers.
They didn't care if N64 had cartridges, if GC had mini-DVDs, if Wii U has a different architecture. In the grand scheme of things, the mass market just doesn't care.
That's why, even by your point of view, PS2 still won by a lanslide. Did 3rd parties cared that it was the less powerful, more complicated to develop system? No. Why? Because they knew that consumers wanted it and they wanted their type of games. That's why they supported PS2 in the first place.
And the same thing goes for PS3: more expensive, HARD to develop for, yet still highly supported by 3rd parties.

Just look at the difference between XB1 and PS4. Do you really believe that what Sony or MS gave to 3rd parties, is dictating PS4's amazing victory? No.
It is Sony marketing strategy that's doing wonders. Just like in the PS1 and PS2 days.
Of course, MS' mistakes helped too!

Speaking of DLC, the other day i read an article  - don't know where . that implied that about 10% buy DLC.
This article from 2010, by NPD, says that only 6% buy DLC for their games. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/only-6-of-consumers-buy-console-dlc-npd/1100-6279895/
The 10%, if true, and not just an assumption, does spell growth but still don't make it a decisive factor.
I couldn't find an article that showed what's the attach ratio.

"It really doesn't work like that... Don't use your imagination of what potentially could be in order to try and prove ur things. Use facts..."
When i used the term potential i'm not speaking of a possibility, i'm speaking of actual consumers.
Instead of having 10M potential users on Wii U and 50M potential users on 3DS, you have 57M potential users on a single ecosystem. They are there, but they are seen as potential.
And that's exactly why Fusion is a more attractive proposition for 3rd parties. They know that if they bring their games to it, they have consumers who would be willing to buy them if released on their system of choice (handheld or home console), but wouldn't buy an extra console just for that game.

"You can't have third party games without a hardware thats powerful enough to compliment the ps5/x2"
The most powerful has never won the most 3rd party support. And PS4 might have so far the most support, but it's got nothing to do with it's HW.
Support comes from what 3rd parties see in a console's market: "Where as iOS/Android never had it and on top of that, it gave GTA access to over 1 billion devices" - Kinda what you just said.
Oh, and being out on a previous generation didn't stop RE4 from selling a million units on Wii. And creation of a blue ocean would also mean new customers. A lot of them.

If you expect to see Nintendo's fortunes drastically improve because they decide to become a Sony or MS clone, then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
If Nintendo games aren't what the market wants, than how Nintendo set itself apart and convince gamers to leave their already brands of choice, online communities and what they gathered in their accounts? Sony and MS set themselves apart because, besides 3rd party games, they make 3rd party like games, too.
And if Nintendo striked better deals, so would MS and Sony - probably even better ones seeing as the market already has their backs.

If Nintendo can't attract consumers with the type of games they like, etc., they will never show 3rd parties they have a market for them. It's not the other way around. Especially when the mass market no longer sees Nintendo games as the most desirable.

And you seem to be looking at it through the eyes of a Nintendo fan and little else... Once again, I have to explain the obvious that I have said before... The mass market doesn't care about CDs/Cartriges... They care about Third Parties... What do third parties care about? Cartriges and CDs and mini discs and architectures... Hence why in return, those weren't a mass market products because third parties didn't want to develop for them. Time and time has proven that customers won't buy a system without third party support

The ps2 was the weakest but it wasn't so weak that it was like a wii compared to a ps3/360 or wiiU compared to a ps4/x1. The ps3 was hard to develop for but it was still a better choice than the wii due to the lack of wii's power and storage space. You really need to do some research instead of me stating the obvious all the time

And yes, it is... You see it virually everywhere in virtually everysite... The difference between the ps4 and x1 is that the ps4 is more powerful than the x1 + the fact that MS fucked up dearly at launch but its cause of third parties that MS is still selling strong... They bearly even had any exclusives that were good or even sold good yet they are still managing to outsell the wiiU because it has third party support to fill in the gap

That article is heavily flawed because its a survey... And not to mention that the wii hardly had any DLC due to its storage space so that number is highly skewed... It only takes common sense to see that DLC is an important thing because when you look at exactly how many games are getting DLC. If hardly any people bought DLC, guess what? Companies wouldn't be making them for virtually every game...

You aren't talking about actual consumers because if you think that there is only a 30% overlap, then you are just blind. Virtually everyone that owns a wiiU owns a 3ds because of the fact that the wiiU targets Nintendo fans and Nintendo fans alone and little else. The overlap is more like 80-90%... And of course, you always forget the obvious because smartphones will continue to take cuts from the handheld space. And of course, because you are you, I have to explain something I have already said that if the 3ds can't attract western third parties with its userbase, how do you expect it to attract them with less? And western third parties don't want to give away two copies of their games for free... Which world do you live in?

Hey look, due to you being you, I have to say this again as well. It doesn't have to be the most powerful system, it just has to be close to the x2/ps4

Yes and guess what... Consoles will never have 1 billion devices on a single platform... And while true that RE4 sold a lot, that game was already on the GC... So it was easy to port while others weren't

Nintendo games are what the market wants... Hence why they sell so much but people aren't willing to give up third party support for them. If you look at say PsP vs DS or 3ds vs Vita, both had plenty of third party support and Nintendo won everytime. I am not saying this will make them first place but rather, it will make their console sell 40 million + and have their handheld sell 50-60+ million due to third party support and nintendo games. That way, they can get a foot hold in the market and in the generation after that, the consumers will have confidence that Nintendo will have third party games and more consumers will come to the Nintendo platform. Sure, it doesn't mean they won the generation but the combined total will sure as hell sell better than your nonsense Fusion concept

You seem to be a person that doesn't know how to have a debate because you keep on repeating urself without providing any actual arguments. If you like to embarrass yourself like then go ahead but man, you really need to work on everything... I give actual evidence that strongly supports my claims while all you do is give speculation and evidence that weakly supports your claims. The mass market does see Nintendo games desirable, just not without third party support and it has been proven in many cases like the NES/Snes/GB/DS/3ds...

Please, do some research and quit making me repeat myself with the obvious



                  

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So, guys in the EU, if you did, what did you spend your stars on? As there's finally stuff worth spending on, and not old dsi/wii points :S



 

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N64 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time    480.064    1.460.000 Nintendo 21/11/1998
3DS The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D    182.998        600.839 Nintendo 16/06/2011
N64 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask    393.081        601.542 Nintendo 27/04/2000
3DS The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D    236.536        394.507 Nintendo 13/02/2015

Interesting to see how this ends up, hopefully MM3D gets to 500k at least.



For games, it will be either ALTTP or Metroid Fusion, plus something for 3DS side. Also if I have 600 stars left, I'm getting one of those Panorama stuff.

But first, waiting for physical rewards even though I have 7K stars.